our pack was garbage...the end

I may of been a bit OTT but our weakness is glaringly obviously and was exposed today.

Lets hope for our sakes its just early season rusty play etc but if its not theres going to alot of those frustrating games ahead and we won't be winning anything. For me and as much as it pains me we are miles still!! Behind saints

Trying to get mid season signings in will take some juggling due to the quota being full. Even more grating that 3 don’t play today.

Realistically and no cherry and white specs on hahah, does anyone here think we can win it this year?

I personally think we are too weak in a few areas to be able too just curious on others thoughts

I think we can win it but we need to get that mid season second row recruit in, more than likely from the NRL, which will obviously mean some shuffling in other areas either Miski or Mago.

Disappointed to lose the first game, but we couldn't have done much more wrong and were still in the game with 5 minutes left.

We aren't out of anything after a single loss, just like we wouldn't have been nailed on had we won.

On to next week...

We were very sloppy today and when we sharpen up the basics we'll still win plenty of games.

But today's two games has again brought into focus Wigan's main issue - which has been the main issue for around five years now. The power and athleticism of the forward pack.

St Helens' forward pack are a different class of athlete to ours. They are stronger, more explosive and more impactful. What would we give for three forwards that can drive the opposition back, challenge defenders and get us on the front foot. A more explosive and/or creative 9 to play off that wouldn't go amiss either.

Kris Radlinski and the Wigan recruitment team have tried twice to fix this and to be blunt they have failed on both occasions. They tried in 2020 - George Burgess and Mitch Clark did not work out. They tried in 2022 and whilst Kaide Ellis and Patrick Mago haven't flopped in the same way, they still haven't made the impact that we hoped. They've also stayed stubbornly loyal to Sam Powell when we all know there are far better hookers out there. 2024 will bring yet another opportunity with quota spots coming free and contracts expiring but who knows if they'll get it right the third time around.

Not an over-reaction - playing poorly in the opener doesn't mean we're a poor side and we can be far better with improvement of the basics. But this is a deeper issue that has reared its head time and time again over the last few years and the club deserve criticism for failing to address it.

Disappointing. Not one player stood out today IMHO.

Lets just see where HKR are at the end of the season.
Yes we lost,Yes we wasnt that good but the season does not end here today.
every great team loses its how they respond and as we are the CC holders we arnt that bad.

Kick in the teeth today, not much more could have gone wrong. Errors, penalties, set restarts and missed tackles, need I go on.

But as someone else said, somehow still in the game with 5 mins to go. King had a nightmare in defence, on the other hand, I thought Wardle was good overall. Came across as a complacent performance from the team?

Kick in the teeth today, not much more could have gone wrong. Errors, penalties, set restarts and missed tackles, need I go on.

But as someone else said, somehow still in the game with 5 mins to go. King had a nightmare in defence, on the other hand, I thought Wardle was good overall. Came across as a complacent performance from the team?

Won a game have we?

We need to ship out Miski and Silva, we don’t need either and go and buy a big back rower, look at the impact Sironen had on the WCC game today with his strong running.

Yes I think you may be right terrible performance accross the park

Maybe it wasn't just your Head Coach who was knocking back the double Whiskey chasers in the hotel bar last night from the way your players played

Strange isn’t it. I saw just the opposite. Wigan were laying on many times but were not punished. We did get a few six agains towards the end when the visitors began to panic and lose their cool.

Whilst I don’t rate Silva, not sure what getting rid of him will do.

He will be on next to no money and is currently on loan.

We have money to spend, or rather should given Batemans departure so finance’s especially the wage of Silva shouldn’t be an issue.

Even if the entire Wigan team had been out on the ale the night before, they would still muller the smaller of hulls 2 teams. Gtfo

Two in a row at the start of the second half - I am sure there were a couple late first half as well, pretty sure Wigan only got one. It is the sheer inconsistency that annoys me, some of the play the balls on both sides were ridiculously slow.

Is it me or is Mike Cooper looking old? I loved watching him for Wire, seemed to never have a bad game and looked fit as a fiddle.

Feel he gets out caught of position a lot in defence, getting left on the floor or retreating. Gave Leeds a try in the playoff semi and noticed it a few times tonight.


The point out the 3 not used quota spots in the team is a great one. Vossy kept saying saints had 7 ex NRL players in the team this morning. Not necessarily their best players but all solid contributors.

£200k to spend according to some fellow on here the other day, release Miski and Magoo and bring in 2 big fijians from the NSW cup

Our best prop today in my opinion.

How do we “release” players?

I trust your opinion mate. I probably need to put myself through a rewatch. Just his poor marker play stood out.

Parcel killed us all game.

I watched the game and had to double check that Toby King was playing!

Cooper, may be best now best effective off the bench, he’s quite old now.

At what point will Peet feel the fan pressure? Just asking, I think it’ll come.