That is exactly what I said, My point is that who knows it is a fact, the clubs and players will decide if they are injured or not, we as fans will never know for sure either way.

But I'm not wrong

I'm saying that we will never truly know wether he has had an op, him saying on twitter that he has had an op does not make it true just like if I put on twitter now that I am having an op tomorrow!

Westwood may well have had an op and if I'm honest I don't really care and it hardly matters to england as there are better players available anyway.

My point is that none of us will ever know for sure if westwood had an op just like we will never know for sure wether carmont or finch were injured

Simple enough????

So our first choice pack of Graham, Burgess, Heighington, Westwood, Ellis are not available does O'Loughlin not have anything that needs sorting out?

His hair

if only the coach was on a long term injury we would all be happy.....

The coach is on a long term injury, that's the problem, it's his brain.

The whole point is that Vectrabeast is/was:





If you took the time to read what I have written you will see that I openly admit Westwood's withdrawal is timed to suit Warrington and to an extent I am disappointed that by doing so it de-values the worth of international rugby.

The problem I have with people at the start of this thread "celebrating" the withdrawal of players and "be-littling" international rugby is the short-sightedness of that for the game as a whole.

For me the Exile games should be treated as a selection trial such that if, for example, Liam Farrell stepped-in for Westwood and performed well then he should retain the shirt for the Four Nations / World Cup and Westwood misses out. If England selected on that basis then I believe over time there would be less withdrawals from the "meaningless" internationals.

The injury withdrawal of players blighted the Lancs/Yorks games, the whole point of extra games is to toughen up the players ready for international series not to allow players/clubs manipulate the system to get players rested. The Exiles concept means that you are more likely to get players pulling out as they do not view the games as they would internationals or sate of origin games. I agree if the players pull out then they should be behind the players who do play and perform well

don't roll your eyes at me! you clearly didn't get the point at all!

oh god help me! how obtuse are you! that was the point i was making!

paul give up mate, the lads obviously a butty short of a picnic! according to him westwood might be lying about having an operation on twitter to get out of playing for england! i mean for goodness sake he could have come up with a much better excuse than that!

any rational right minded person must truly cringe when reading this drivel!

Rather wonderful that Wire fans come here to do missionary work and educate us.... We are so blessed.

If you don't want to read the "drivel" then you could happily f**k off back to the wire board with all the other six fingered dribblers

Just a thought

I see Tony Smith has pulled a "Tony Smith" and withdrawn Hodgson as well. The exiles concept faltering in its second season. Typical RL.

To be fair, he did go off injured in the Leeds game.

hodgson went off with a thigh strain against leeds and he was hoping to play but failed fitness test

.....would that be from the drunken piggyback race accident or muscle strains from carrying that bloody great big telly around Montpellier town centre all night that they "found" whilst bladdered then?

How did McBanana get the job?

He failed at Bradford. Is Red Hall really that corrupt?

Disgusting allegation

your response is nothing less than i expected! hold your head up high! it was your drivel i was berating not the other posters!

I hope you wrap Sam up well and get bodyguards to drive him everywhere. Wane is starting to panick about a team without him, I don't know why he doesn't moan to the RFL? Sam being a special case and everyhing, Oh that's right, he has !

Oh lordy, the mouth breathers are out in force....

Sorry but Too good an opportunity to miss, I bet a collective eye roll occurred amongst Wigan members when they saw the news.

Yep.... But we are used to being a target...

Wrong thread ... unless you're just plain irritated that not enough Wigan fans took the bait on the other thread.