You're off ya head pal or a wind up merchant? High on a season of success IMO

HTH

You're having too much of the Bob Marley stuff man

What so just because Pat plays in Super League that automatically makes him not as good as the others?

All the points Ziggy Stardust made were valid and the fact that you cant come up with a counter argument against them says it all!

Pat is class, so what if he's 'high on a season of success' the point is that Pat is the best winger NOW, no-one is saying he is the best ever winger to play RL, this year he has been nothing short of class in every aspect of a wingers game - speed, strength, power, skill, defence, catching high balls, scoring trys, saving trys. What more would you want from a winger?

First non of his points are valid. They are all point of view backed up with no evidence. his starting comment of saying Vatuvei is a poor mans big les is totally incorrect and says how bias this ziggy guy is and you are on the same hym sheet! Tuqiri has come back from ru and got back in the Aussie side, hayne is one of the most gifted winger fullbacks in the nrl at origin and test level. pat Richards is a good winger and had a great season. all those wingers are in the top class bracket in the best comp in the world gaining rep honours. I know you are all buzzing over your team after a great season but anyone with an ounce of rugby league knowledge would know Richards would have a tough task to dislodged any of those blokes from their club and rep jerseys.

who's the best? Who knows but anyone who with confidence thinks Richards is obviously better than those guys or for example thinks folau might be as good as Richards needs sectioning.

The same Richards that was the outstanding player in the NRL and scored one of the best tries in the Aussie Grand final, the current man of steel and leading points scorer, dual grand final winner? Or some of the players you quoted that could only dream of achieving that??

Richards was not the outstanding player in the nrl, he would have won the daly m and golden boot and got a game at origin and test level instead of Playing for Ireland.

If he scored a good try in 2005 good on him, it dont make him the best winger in the world in 2010

Plenty of men of steel and top points scores have not been the best player in the world in their position.

All those blokes who you think richards is head and shoulders better than are current origin and Aussie or kiwi internationals. something Richards can only dream about.

your arguments are weak and like a t-bag.

Richards is a good winger and was awesome in 2010 in sl. But your rant says nothing about how or way you think he is obviously head and shoulders the best winger in the world right now. Which in reality as an opinion is deluded.

For nearly half a season he wasn't even the best winger in your team.

Richards is a great kicker, a great leader and is so good under the high ball that teams don't even bother kicking to him on the last tackle. He has a great haircut and looked awesome with a cast on his leg whilst holding the Super League trophy aloft..

al take that as you taking it on the chin you were wrong. Congrats again on an sl well won. I had doubts you could do it, but i like many were proved totally wrong and you deserved to be champions.

Not wrong mate, Pat's better than all the guys you quoted and im still waiting for you to explain why he isn't. I just tried to inject a little bit of humour into an argument neither of us is likely to win.

You are totally wrong. it's obvious. Richards is a good winger. But is no way head and shoulders better, to you he is clearly better. It is obvious he is not. All those guys are top wingers in the best comp in the world. most of those guys are marque players in that comp. Someone mentions Boyd who came second in the daly m and won players player in the best comp in the world, he is a origin and test winger and you think richards is better? That's how unrealidtic you are. Richards is good he had a great season in a good team. But if he was the best he would have a choice of nrl clubs a chance of origin and test honours, if that was an option or if he was that good he would be gone or it would have happens already. How can he be the best when he's not playing against the best at domestic or rep level.

If you are honest with yourself for nearly half of last season he wasn't even the best winger in your team. the evidence is all over this forum in the Amos worshiping threads.

Richards was a top winger in the NRL and is better than Boyd could ever wish to be. Amos was in superb form for part of the season last year but was cruely hit with a very bad injury. Amos is better than some of the wingers you've gone with but Pat has been the best winger at Wigan for some time now. Your wrong i'm right and im off to bed..Sweet dreams!!

You are a joke and unable to view rugby league with an even hand. I'm sure it wont bother you in the slightest that I won't be chatting with you again. You like many of your fello pie eaters are so blinkered its genuinly laughable.



I wonder what he did wrong to get punished by the rugby gods?

Bit in bold made me laugh



Also I remember when Leeds fans were banging on about Donald being the best finisher in the league? He didnt seem like he was all that in the last game he played for Leeds?



Richards has been the complete player this season and has more strings to his bow then some of the other wingers mentioned. For me he has been the most valuable player this year and that is why he is regarded as one of the best wingers in RL. You bang on all you like about other players but stats show this season Richards has been one of the best wingers in RL.

Just realised this is a thread about Sam Tomkins?!

Richards is defo one of the best wingers in the game! But head and shoulders the best in the world no questions asked like that fella is claiming? I think that is wrong.

Its definately all based on opinion. I wouldnt personally say he is head and shoulders the best winger in the world, but he is probably one of the most complete players and certainly the most valuable winger in relation to Wigan. I would swap him for any other winger in the world currently maybe apart from Waine Pryce.

What amuses me most about threads like this is the undercurrent of Wigan hatred and British insecurity.

Some of the irrelevant points being made about Pat such as him not being in the Aussie team are unbelievable. Of course he isn't in the Aussie team. If Mal Meninga had come over to play for Wigan in the early '90s the Aussies would not have selected him for internationals, they don't pick any players playing overseas. Its difficult to have a discussion with people who appear to know very little about RL.

Here's some statistical evidence from the NRL - Pat scored 20 tries in an NRL season. You can't do that unless you are a world class player.

Pat is now being coached by one of the best coaches in the world and in one of the best backroom set ups in the world. The Maguire regime is absolutely top class - I await the supporters of other clubs arguing the contrary in the usual bitter, Wigan hating way but you would be better off accepting the reality that Wigan are back on top again and utilising your energies in urging your own clubs to try to catch us up.

Its no wonder that under Maguire an already world class player at his physical peak is in superb form.

So, I have suggested that an unquestionably world class player who is flourishing under the Maguire regime and was not only in the best form of his life but who continued at the same high standard throughout 2010 is the best player in the world in his position.

I'm not surprised that some people disagree with this statement but the reaction has been ridiculous. This is typical of the narrow minded, Wigan hating obsessives that infest this board, unfortunately.

And I still haven't seen any performances in the Four Nations by any winger that suggest I'm wrong. I await the final with interest. If someone is playing on the wing to a higher standard that Pat has throughout 2010 then they will be a truly great player.

But the same applies to pretty much the whole England team. The different class of opposition made all of them (except perhaps Roby) look worse than they do in club games.

Which does happen alot, some players can't seem to carry their club form to international games.

Sean long springs to mind, awesome player at saints but looks a little inside himself at international level.

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And [i[uNONE[/u[/i of the players he mentioned were better than Pat have even been nominated

Sam had a poor game by his standards IMO. I think the Aussies did their homework as every time he got the ball he was immediately surrounded. Far too early to say he can’t cut it at this level, I’m sure he will, just give him time. What accentuates his poor game is the fact that everybody is expecting him to work wonders for us every time he gets the ball. He still has a lot to learn, (too greedy at times for me) but I’m sure he will learn it and continue to improve. From what I’ve heard he is grounded and has a good work ethic.

That whole list is a shambles!

I said Vatuvei, Uate, Gordon and Morris were all better than Richards. They're all on the list.

The fact that Chris Riley and Ryan Hall are nominated for International winger of the year tells you all you need to know about the presence of token SL players to bolster the numbers.

I mean seriously, Pat Richards the best winger in the world. He is a very consistent player, but best winger in the entire world? Give me a break.

The usual advice to people in a hole is to stop digging, but you keep at it, it's hilarious!