I've long advocated the LLS being given greater prominence. But I was just happy to get a home tie to be honest. I do recognise Leeds achievement, unlike many others, and it's good that you seemed up for it. Though in the end there isn't much between the teams over the thirty games, being level and with us winning two and Leeds winning two I hope that we can meet in a decider at OT.

First thing they need to do is change the league leaders trophy to something that doesn't resemble a catering tray. The SL trophy is still the big one but it's literally like comparing an iPhone 6s to a Nokia 3210.

The crux of this thread is pretty funny. I think you are taking issue with the fact that another teams fans would rather cheer a rival than cheer for Wigan. Does that not say something about the general view of your team and it's practices? I am a Warrington fan, and Wigan are bottom of the pile when it comes to teams I'd rather cheer for, Saints are just as big rivals as Wigan to me, but if it came down to cheering for one or the other, it would be Saints, even after all the hurt they inflicted at the death over the years.

And the simple reasons for this are that while Saints have their fair share of nastiness and petty play (Wilkin, Masoe etc.) Wigan have such a bigger amount of what i perceive to be thuggish behavior, and the very fact that their coach actively encourages such an ethos is the big no no. Comments from his mouth have sometimes been seriously silly and the way he asks his players to go out and do what they do sometimes is just unacceptable to me, and that's where my hatred stems.

This does not mean I am not able to appreciate the talent in that side. It's all definitely there and only a fool would play blind to the ability and skill shown on that field. Unfortunately the other side of things is what drives my opinion and outweighs the positives.

Good, cause we love being hated... Just makes us chuckle..

Pretty well explains my attitude to Wire, though I'm thinking mainly of the d###heads who watch them, not play for them.

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I still chuckle at Westwoods one game ban from a friendly against Italy



If Wire had made the play offs and played in a final and Westwood did that now, how many games do we think he'd get? Considering his England career looks to be done I'd guess far more then 1 friendly!!

Wirewirewire - fair assessment.

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Who are you trying to kid by trying to justify your hatred of the game's biggest club? We all know how it works in Wankington, it's drilled into you to hate Wigan from birth. You attend matches 50
% to watch Wanky and 50% to hate Wigan.

It's quite sweet, really.

I have never denied that that act was stupid of Westwood. He was lucky he stayed on the field and I didn't condone it at all. But you know, at least he didn't punch someone while they were prone out cold on the floor. If you don't think there is a huge difference there then I don't know how to reason with you. Also, that is the only instance I ever see brought up by you lot. The Westwood one. Please name some others? Because I can name many you have committed in the past few years alone.

Joel Tomkins and Tony Clubb seem to actively seek out fights and bad behavior. I once remember Myler scoring under the posts after a kick. He had scored, and was lay for pretty much at least 5 seconds before Tomkins comes in and cleans Myler out while he's on the floor. There was honestly no reason for it other than Anger over having a try scored against his team which I found to be disgusting.

The main reason for the Leeds fans celebrations was that for the first time under the new system the true champions are the league leaders plus it gives us a chance to win the treble although admittedley in the long run the last score now actually gives Wigan an advantage as they get the easier semi final especially as Huddersfield will be lucky to take 500 to your place

But your tag of the games biggest club ended 20 years ago in the mid 90's. Your domination was shown up when Super League came about and you had to play with only a certain amount of money. You went 13 years of SL only winning One Grand Final. That is pretty bad going for the best team in the world. You even got so bad you were almost relegated and stayed up by the skin of your teeth.

Leeds and Saints have surpassed you now, they are much better than Wigan and their SL history proves it. You can come back with mocking of Warrington's fortunes, but the difference is we are well aware of our shortcomings and never claimed to be the best team at any point. We are not blind to our failures and tag of pretenders to the throne. But it's certainly not your throne we are pretenders to. To still be calling yourself the games biggest team based on history 20 years previous shows how low your fortunes are now.

In theory we should be hating Leeds and Saints for their success as they are the ones to beat. And yet no, we all still would rather them win. So it's not due to success that we hate Wigan because you scarcely have any, you're getting back on the horse recently though so maybe one day.

I always wondered what it felt like for a bitter wolf knowing Wigan have lost more CC finals than they've even attended, could you elaborate?

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Leeds yes, but Saints? We finished 1st, they finished 4th. We have won two challenge cups and two grand finals in the past 5 years and they have fluked one by default. When we have played each other over the same period we have won 12 drawn 1 lost 7, with them never winning by more than 8 points and us dishing out some thrashings. Hardly think that backs up what you are saying.

Best of luck staying in the top 8 next season by the way. Whilst Leeds, Wigan and Saints are dead certs for the top 3 with Hudds, Castleford and Catalans likely taking the next positions I genuinely think Warrington have the quality to take 7th or 8th spot with a bit of luck. Your derbys with Widnes will prove vital!

Perhaps not St Helens then, but I was speaking over the Super League since it's existence. They have won more Grand Finals than you. Even with losing 5.

And thank you kindly, I am sure we will do okay. I look forward to seeing how Willie Isa does next year, I am sure he will absolutely rip it up like he has been doing with Widnes this year.

Can you please respond to my post? the one you made went off on a tangent, I can only draw the conclusion that you weren't able to answer my point sufficiently and actually proved my point that you seem to be stuck in the mid 90's with your response.

Even when Wigan flirted with relegation in 2006 they dominated SKY's end of season coverage much to the annoyance of Saints.

No you didn't. You finished 2nd. You can't even get that right.

Well at least we now know that a new Castleford stadium would be a waste of money as the fans would rather see a merger with Leeds.

The thing is WWW you don't really want to be getting into that game do you? Because your squad isn't full of Wigan and Saints rejects at all is it? (How is Gary Wheeler doing these days?)

Why are you saying this like anyone would try to back Wheeler up? ALL Wire fans know he's crap and done naff all for us. But you lot now he's signed will be bigging Isa up haha. Probably like how you all for some reason pretend that Lee Mossop is anything close to being adequate let alone good.

Wigan only need to tinker with the squad, such is the strength in depth. Wire require a mass clearout which they have started. This allows us to take the odd gamble with certain players if they fit the bill and the price is right.

Next years overseas players: Isa, Gelling & Tautai.
Sam Tomkins in, Bowen out.

Our youth will be another year older and wiser, with the next generation (newly crowned Academy Grand Final Winners) knocking on the first team door.

I don't think we need to worry.

With regards to your comments on Lee Mossop, you know what? I half expected his shoulder to pack in early-mid season and that be it for him - career over! Early to mid season it's been obvious that he's been holding something back, all the fans could see that. He's admitted only two weeks ago: www.wigantoday.net/sport/wigan-w ... -1-7459042 Quote “To be honest, this year I’ve been a bit disappointed at times. I’ve not had the consistency in my game. I think I’ve struggled more with my shoulder than I thought I would, coming back from this one. “It’s my third reconstruction on my right side, and physically it’s better than it’s ever been but it’s just getting the confidence in my head. “I’ve had two or three games when I’ve had the confidence but then it’ll be knocked and I’ll have an off-game. It is getting there. “Hopefully I can finish stronger, and build on this game against Saints - but by no means am I at my best.” '" I tell you what this last month he has been much improved, not the finished article by any means but slowly getting back to his 2012 form*. Another good pre-season will stand him in good stead to rip into it next year. *Touch wood he doesn't damage his shoulder in the semi/final now I've mentioned it!

With regards to your comments on Lee Mossop, you know what? I half expected his shoulder to pack in early-mid season and that be it for him - career over! Early to mid season it's been obvious that he's been holding something back, all the fans could see that. He's admitted only two weeks ago: www.wigantoday.net/sport/wigan-w ... -1-7459042 Quote “To be honest, this year I’ve been a bit disappointed at times. I’ve not had the consistency in my game. I think I’ve struggled more with my shoulder than I thought I would, coming back from this one. “It’s my third reconstruction on my right side, and physically it’s better than it’s ever been but it’s just getting the confidence in my head. “I’ve had two or three games when I’ve had the confidence but then it’ll be knocked and I’ll have an off-game. It is getting there. “Hopefully I can finish stronger, and build on this game against Saints - but by no means am I at my best.” '" I tell you what this last month he has been much improved, not the finished article by any means but slowly getting back to his 2012 form*. Another good pre-season will stand him in good stead to rip into it next year. *Touch wood he doesn't damage his shoulder in the semi/final now I've mentioned it!

Can you point to anybody bigging him up?..We are sceptical, but willing to give a chance.... Sorry to not pander to your perceived stereotype....