I think this is the reason the club is making no announcement, they are keeping things on the quiet looking after Hock with a view to being rewarded for standing by him once his ban is up right in time to play himself into some form for the play offs 2011.

Drawing attention to it would put the pressure on the club, whatever they are doing were he to have been got rid of the club would have said something.

For once I am more than happy for the club to remain tight lipped indefinitely.

Yes the only reason we lost both of them games was because Coley played 2nd row,

Well you proved me wrong there...........

Guess they were all Coleys fault as well

How many other games did he play second row?

It's not the only factor, but it also shows how we missed Bailey.

If we signed Graham and moved Coley 2 the 2nd row Bailey would not be missed!

So I can't see what you ate getting at?

Coley vs Bailey is a no brainer and it's never going 2 be Bailey IMO.

From what I hear from the younger players at the club, Bailey would be a huge miss. Player's opinions matter more to me than fans, no offence.

Fair enough.

All I can go off is what i see on the pitch and IMO Bailey isn't as good as Coley!

Sooner rather than later these young players are going to have 2 become the leaders at Wigan!

It's not like we've not got older heads/experience at the club;

Lockers
Gleeson
Carmont
Richards
Tommy
Coley
Fielden

Those two defeats were our heaviest defeats of the season. They were the ONLY two games Coley played second row.

You are correct , Coley or Bailey in the second row is a no brainer.

Bailey by miles.

Surely tough decisions must be made for the long term.

The debate is....

Keep Bailey for another year or two V Play young players letting them gain experience

I personally think either will benefit us and don't see one as a better option than the other.

I agree.

Again one player doesn't make a team nor does one player break a team either. To put those two defeats at feet of Andy Coley and to someway suggest they would haven't have happened if Bailey would have been there instead is wrong!

I'd actually love a debate on Coley vs Bailey as I don't see the hype when it comes 2 Bailey! For me Coley is vastly underrated at Wigan his go forward outshines Baileys and his defence isn't that far behind either! He's also bigger, faster and potentialy stronger 2.

That's before we start on his injury

Coley has his great go forward at the back end of this season, his defence does not stand out, he is slow, he cannot come into the line playing SR.

Bailey's defence outshines Coley's go forward IMO, he brings loads of experience to the team, he can come into the line as a SR.

As a SR it is Bailey by miles!

See I don't think Coley is slow! In fact he's one of our fastest forwards! Although he doesn't hit the line with pace when he's forced 2 put his foot down the guy can shift.

Also coleys best game this season was Salford away when he attacked far more down the wings.

I didn't blame Coley for the defeats, but I did intimate that those were our two biggest defeats of the season.

Coley playing second row and Bailey not playing are the only common denominators.

I would say that it was a factor in the size of the defeats.

We had beaten Leeds away in the league and lost narrowly in the cup with Bailey in the second row and Coley at prop.

Bailey did not play in our heavy home defeat to Saints.

Ok even if he is not slow, he is not as fast as Bailey which really should be the debate! If everyone moved up in defence like Bailey then the opposition would never get anywhere. Hopefully Maguire will get em fired up!

I don't really see a debate between Coley and Bailey because they're totally different players. I see Coley as a prop that could fill in at second row if needs be and Bailey as a second rower that can also play centre.

One thing i would say is i'd like the option of playing Coley in the backrow early on in the season on heavy pitches. We've had too small a pack early on in seasons imo and have paid the price. We've been outmuscled by bigger packs because our pack is quite small.

We're a better side on firm pitches later on in the season imo because of mobile packmen like Phil Bailey, Hansen and O'Loughlin.

I think basically i'd like to carry both in the squad aswell as bringing a new prop in.

Seconded.

No way on this planet is Graham joining Wigan next year.

Seeing as you and Cam are experts on the matter, why not let everybody know how you know this

They dont know

They just refuse to believe it could happen. because they dont want to be disappointed if it doesnt happen.

I have been told by an ex-wigan current SL player that it won't happen.

Why should I not believe him?

Well i've been told by a ex-wigan player it will happen.

Why should i not believe him ?

It's a fair point well made



I still don't think it will happen tho!

I agree it gunna happen, they would never sell to us anyway, remember the Micky Higham deal

Much has changed since those days, no Mo and Whelan means we have a much better relationship at Board level, indeed both our current Chairman may be bitter rivals but they are also good friends.

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