Even with resigning Coley and Bailey, i cannot imagine they are on the money of their orginial deals.

Surely they are on less, therefore more cap money left. Add that to Hock and Smith and even with improved offers for some of the youngsters there must be something left.

I think we have to remember last year when players came in when we thought we had no money left.

I still think IL has a few cards up his sleeve.

One rumour is that Gleeson will be taking up a large wad of salary cap money next year as he played for a small contract this year with a guaranteed increase next.

As to other clubs doing sneaky things to get round the cap mentioned byu other posters I think the only thing they can do now is pay overseas players wages into an offshore benefit trust so when they leave the cash is tax free.

I think most of the other loopholes have been closed in that payments from image rights count on the cap but where the clubs saved cap space is that image rights [ididn't [/iattract employers N.I. contributions and employers N.I. contributions [idid[/i count towards the salary cap. So if you paid a player for his image rights you were paying out less due to no N.I contributions so your cap money went further.

When the cap went down to £1.6M N.I. contributions were no longer counted so you didn't gain extra cap space by paying a player for his image rights as opposed to a normal wage that did attract N.I. contributions.

As to paying a player £50K in a brown paper bag that would sooner or later be exposed. Someone would either investigate it such as the Inland Revenue auditing a players tax affairs or someone would simply spill the beans.

The risk of that happening is too great IMO for chairman to risk it.

Dave

I'm starting to agree with you on this.

Unless Wigan have been involved in a real arm-wrestle to get the new guy - i.e. if it's someone pretty good, and it's taken masses of prolonged negotiation - then there won't be much excuse for the delay. If it turns out it's someone like Shaun Wane, who - promising though he may be - has been here all along and could have been appointed straight away, then it's going to be as bewildering as it's disappointing.

It depends as you say what negotiations have been going on but even if that is the reason for the delay the process will have simply taken too long with the consequences being discussed.

If it is Wane after all then it will have been a huge error not to have had him in-place much earlier in the season before the cup semi-final IMO.

Dave

Maybe he's signed from another club and we cannot say until their season is over.

Think we are going a bit off topic here.

People are saying that they wonder where Smith and Hocks money has gone, players like Tomkins, Mossop, Ainscough [to an extent are now first team regulars [or at least Ainscough was at the time that he signed a new contract and I imagine have therefore had significant increases in their salaries.

I imagine that firstly Sams wage possibly isn't that far off what Smith was on, given that Smith will have been on quite a low wage given the circumstances, plus the fact that the whole of superleague knows what an outstanding talent sam is.

Mossop is another who we didn't have on the cap at all when Hock was around, nor Goulding for that matter, so I personally can believe that a lot of Hock and Smiths money has gone on upgrading some of the juniors contracts.

There is that possibility of course.

As I say, if the new man had good reason for not publicising that he is joining Wigan - i.e. if he is still serving time somewhere else and they don't know, or he just can't be bothered with the publicity because he wants to concentrate on the job in hand - then fair enough. There is no argument with any of that in my book, especially if he's insisted on this before signing the contract.

If however, it's Shaun Wane, who's already at Wigan, then I'll be puzzled and disappointed that it wasn't sorted sooner. I'll also feel let down, given the air of expectaton that's been allowed to build. (I'd still like Shaun as assistant, though).

I agree, if McGuire is are man for next year then I can understand why it's not been announced with Melbourne still alive in the play-off's.

Lets just say Hock was on £120,000 and Smith £70,000.

Tomkins put up from £10,000 to £40,000

Mossop put up from £10,000 to £25,000

Ainscough put up from £10,000 to £30,000

This to me seem like decent wages for young players I don't even see us using up Smiths money I still think we have around £100,000 to play with plus whatever Bailey is on (If he goes) which is rumoured to be £100,000 plus and a quota spot, we could get a superstar for £200,000 and a quota spot.

Add to that Flannagans money which would probably be around £20,000

Coley and Pryce have signed extensions which I very much doubt are improved deals especially in the case of Pryce.

Rumour has it that Bailey has signed a much lower deal with us.

There is no way in hell we haven't got the funds available to buy new players starting with a prop (Morley, LMS, Burgess,Ferriol, Guissett, Kite, Bailey, Webb, Moi Moi etc), then a prop/second row (Burgess, Webb, Pritchard, Fa'aoso) and finally if there are funds available a 6/7 (Brough, Orford, Anasta).

Lets just say Bailey takes a drop from £140,000 to £80,000 add to that Hocks money you have £200,000 so if we don't sign a decent player I will be dissapointed.


It said in todays Sun that Danny Brough wil be looking at moving to a bigger club to improve his chances of playing for England.



Feasable signings for next year Richard Fa'aoso, LMS and Brough.

I know what you are trying to get at, but please. These are all hypothetical’s.

We simply do not know what the score is financially. Nor do we know what is happening on the transfer front.

I know this, you know this and everyone else knows this.

Let’s be patient and wait to see what happens.

on much lower deals, and if Bailey resigns it will be on a much reduced salary. There should be room if you take Baileys wage/reduction in wage into account, but i think people are underestimating the wage rise that's been given to Mossop, Tomkins, Ainscough + co.

Ainscough hasn't signed a new contract!
Don't blame the lad the way he's been treated this season!
I'll be gutted if he doesn't stay on!

Ainscough will stay on thats fo sure, prob get a 3 year deal.

I know round about how much some players are on and if you take into account the average wage for the average superleague player which is £60,000 a year I can't see how Mossop who has only made his debut this season and is a young lad can be on any more than £20,0000 to £30,000 max, Tomkins a bit more from £30,000 to £50,000 max.

At the end of the day like tugglesf78 said 'Everybody knows we have got a significant amount of cash to play with to bring a decent player in, maybe we have already signed Webb and he has been given a visa but IL is waiting for the season to end then announce the new coach and let the new coach unveil Webb and take the credit rather than say Noble?

If we have spent a lot of the money upgrading the younsters contracts then hats off to IL I am a big fan of what he is doing but even so there still should be enough for a decent new player or two.

If he goes now I WOULD blame him - for being an idiot and not being able to see past the end of his nose.

He has been treated poorly this season, but Noble and his crowd are going. All the young lads are having their wages upgraded. If Ainscough doesn't know that yet, he's listening to the wrong people.

Wigan is now a club that values and promotes its youngsters. Did you not see the interview with Shaun Wane on the website two days ago? The guy is bubbling about the club's new policies regarding its home-grown talent.

The problem with announcing SW as coach mid-season is that it undermine's Brian Noble's position as the head coach at the moment - who would the players listen to?

If BN and SW disagree on something does the player risk being dropped this season for not following BN's instructions or risk annoying the coach of the 2010 squad which he'll be playing in.

Unless it's someone from outside the club I think they've done the right thing in not announcing anything just yet.

I don't think Shaun has been treated badly this season.
Shaun started off the season well and there is no doubting his finishing. But he was badly exposed defensivley, as the season went on. He became a bit of a liability and with the emergance of Phelps as FB, Noble played Richards and Roberts on the wing, more experienced pairing. Shaun's time will come he just has to be patient.

He will stay and he has been treated very well by the Club this season by the way. And he knows that and that is what matters.

Hang on a minute. Wasn't this pointed out to IL by an outspoken fan at the last Fans Forum, only for IL to sneer at him by suggesting that his contract was extended mid season. He was then asked by the fan why it wasn't announced and IL stated it had been online at the time...??


Could this be more "BS" or a case of IL getting mixed up whilst on centre stage?

Sorry but does anyone on here actually believe someone on rlfans with 4 posts over ian lenegan

Maybe not but further to leaving the Fans Forum, I checked back on the official site and couldn't find an announcement.

More likely it's a case of Riggs Warrior getting it completely wrong. I've enquired since I saw the original post, and my contact at the club informs me that Ainscough is on a good deal at Wigan and quite happy to stay.

Interesting the way you phrase it, though. A fan asks IL a question at the forum, and because IL provides an answer that you don't want to hear, he's 'sneering'. Pathetic attitude, mate.

If IL cured aids and cancer, pulled on a shirt and won us the GF himself some people would still have something to complain about on here, he just cant do right!

What rankles with me is the way some people put a negative spin on everything.

I have an issue with the way IL is handling the Noble affair. I hear the arguments for him keeping it secret, and I can go along with it if it's something the new guy has requested. Though I'm worried that he won't pull a rabbit out of a hat, and will give the job to someone like Shaun Wane. As far as I can see, that's a legitimate concern. But these prats who never have a good word so say about the guy get on my nerves. IL's by far the most communicative chairman Wigan has ever had. He holds regular forums, he even posts on this message board - he seems to go out of his way to be an okay bloke. And yet we still get comments worthy of CP Wigan, or whatever he's calling himself these days - 'sneering'. Totally pathetic.

To be honest I didn't care for the way he responded to his question, which was a perfectly good one. I too (and many others were suprised of his answer) as nothing had been stated in the press / online.

Just cause he's our Chairman, and a local lad doesn't mean I have to be in absolute Awe of him. He's done some great things, some less so (in my opinion). Don't think that means I have a pathetic attitude surely.
If everyone had the same opinion as everyone else (including yours) then this would be one hell of a boring boring forum.



No answer to that one really..!