To be fair he did throw in a couple of schooners at the last minute.

What is incorrect in my statement?

Leeds have signed Delaney to replace Smith and Eastwood to replace Ellis. Thereby strenthening certain areas. St Helens have replaced the ageing gilmour with the spritely Soliola and have also signed Fozzard on a 1 year deal as a stop gap for the nailed on signing of Luke Bailey at the end of 2010 (hes already told Saints he signing them).

All the other randoms in SL just have a merry go round of playing staff that dont really improve their team with the exception of Hull FC who, for once, have recruited well.

=redCUT OUT THE INSULTS. PEMPS. If Wigan feel that the players available to them, arent as good as what they already have, then why should they sign anyone. Just go with what they already have until better players become available.

Tut Tut!

If we are [isignificantly[/i under it i.e. under it by enough so that a wage for a top class player could be offered but we are not going to spend that amount of money because the club is making a loss, then this is where the "rich chairman" comes in.

If this is the situation we are in then IL is presumably attempting to get the club in profit eventually but in the meantime he needs to speculate to accumulate IMO.

Subsidizing the wage of a top class player while he works towards profitability for the club are not incompatible things to be doing.

IMO if he does not do this he will find it a harder and slower process to get the club profitable.

Dave

How did Warrington manage to win the challenge cup with all the new players they have brought in over the last couple of years.

Just heard a rumour Celtic Crusaders are competing for his signature.

because you've underachieved for years anyway, and finally got a top class coach, but yet still underachieved in the league.

Fully agree. I would hope however that if we are under the cap, it is because during next season he is hoping to pull off another signing ala Gleeson, hopefully a house prop forward in the Pongia mould.

Watching the NRL semi final what i'd give for us to beat Wire to the signature of Moi Moi or somehow tempt Ben Hannant over!

Outstanding forwards who are as tough as they come.

Moi Moi's first spell was 30 mins aswell so he's no pudding.

But to be fair, he's been put on his backside at least three times in that first 40. [size=59I'd still have him in a heartbeat mind.[/size

He gets smashed all over the shop whenever i've seen him but he gets back up time and again and just keeps coming.

The amount of energy these big hits must take out of the defensive players is a plus point for his side also.

Get him and a fitter Feka in the same side and it's be fearsome.

Wire will always beat us to the signings of top players. when there chairman is willing to use other means to pay wages and ours doesnt seem to want and spend the full cap amount.

Thats how i see it and i hope i'm so wrong

I think thats how the majority see it.

If Wire could beat us to the signature of Moi Moi after the players they've already signed then something abit dodgy is obvioulsy going on but like i've said before I have no problem with that. If they have the cash why shouldn't they be able to aim high and spend it.

We just don't look prepared to get in any sort of bidding war for players but when your after the best(which is what Lenagan said we're after) theres always going to be interest from a few clubs.

What gets me tho is everyone can see whats going on but dont question it..i'm of the same opinion as you well done to wire for doing it..but if it was wigan there would be uproar and questions being asked.

It has happened at a number of clubs, ourselves included. Where was it that Steve Renouf's wife 'worked'?

All those loopholes have now been closed.

To be honest, it's very, very difficult for clubs now to bend the salary cap rules in order to accommodate signings they shouldn't legally be making.

I'm not sure where we stand on overseas payments, image rights, etc, but I was under the impression that those doors were also being shut.

If Warrington sign FFMM, I can only assume it's because they've got the cap space. Either that, or they're about to release more players.

See Cruncher's post WiganKnight.

Whats stopping a certain clubs Owner going upto his star overseas signings in the club carpark and handing him a bag containing 50k?

How could that be stopped or clamped down upon?

We wont because we renewed Coley's deal and appear to have given Bailey a new deal as well.

I'd still hope Hock and Smiths money would give us room to bring that sort of player in but that seems to have vanished into thin air.

I can totally understand us keeping Coley but Bailey i'm not too sure on.

Bailey out with Moi Moi in would leave us looking strong next year imo.

I disagree, to sign a prop it would make more sense to keep Bailey, but we would need his quota spot, so we coudl release them both, bring in a a prop such as MoiMoi and run with the young troop of backrowers we have.

I know players like Sam have signed new deals for good money, but I cant believe it has all gone on juniors, with no guarntee some will make it? Thats why im sure we cant be spending up to the cap.

Perhaps the space is being left in the event that McGuire see's something we are missing and we move for that player (it would clearly be a prop anyway!)

I would be more than happy to be holding the money back so Maguire or whoever is taking over can bring is own in. Maybe he will bring Cronk and Blair with him

I would much rather let the new coach decide who we sign and when we sign them!

That's OK provided we sign the new coach quick enough so there are some players left who are worth signing.

Another reason why sticking with Noble to the bitter end and not sorting a new coach out sooner is counter productive.

Dave