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| Quote ="FearTheVee"I disagree - the conditioner tells him what to do but if he doesn't do it - it's up to the coach to drop him until he does IMO.
The coach is the boss at the end of the day and if he keeps picking him despite him ignoring the conditioner, then he completely undermines the conditioner and makes his job impossible.'"
From my experience the coach should and does stay well out of the conditioning coaches way as they simply do not have the knowledge to contribute other than advice him on where they want to work on an individual player.
A coach is a coach and a Conditioning Coach is responsible for the condition of the players, while i agree ultimatley the technical coach has the final say on if a player is selected of not, all coaches are responsible for brining the best out of there players, if a coach is unable to motivate a player then it is as much the coaches failing if not more so than the players who are in effect the student.
Each player is different and should be treated as such and it is up to a coach to use his coach education, including psychology to find what angle he needs to get an athlete performing in the gym.
I have to say although personally not working with Pryce I was at Gloucester when he was there and got to observe his training and conditioning on a few occasions and he was a beast one of the top in the squad, he comes to Wigan and suddenly according to your info becomes lazy? What is the reason for this change in attitude? If it is the case as reported you would have to highlight the coaching of the conditioning and failing to motivate the lad by whatever means necessary.
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| Quote ="FearTheVee"But unless he lied about his qualifications in getting the job, which Feka clearly didn't (but a doctor or rocket scientist clearly would have to) then it's your own fault for hiring him.
He can perform his job. He's just sh*te at it, but then he was already overweight when you signed him so not sure what your point is.
He would never be in breach of contract for not being at his physical peak.
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And how will it be if he puts another stone on? And another stone? And another stone? I mean, he's already unfit to do the job, but at what point does it move from being a case of "he's not in peak condition" to a case of "he's a fat slob who only a silly fantasist would describe as a professional athlete"? And what do his employers do then?
Meanwhile, you continue to kid yourself with daft anti-Wigan propaganda that this is all our fault because we originally bought a lemon (who, by the way, we had to outbid you lot to sign).
The reality is that he wasn't always this unfit (and even now I'd have him over that cardboard tank you've got), even when he was playing for us, and certainly not when he was in Aus. It's partly the fault of the two Wigan coaches he's played under, who seem to have stood by doing nothing while he's got heavier and heavier. But if my boss told me to get on with an essential aspect of my job, and my attitude was basically "no, I can't be bothered doing that bit any more because it's too much hassle", I'd expect to be in trouble.
As for the doctor / scientist bit, Feka could do the job when he started. But since then he's made minimal effort to keep up the necessary work. So the analogy stands.
My original point, which you do get despite pretending you don't (whereas the other fella was just plain thick) is that nothing the club have done so far - whether it be threatening to fine him about his weight, actually fining him about his weight, putting him on extra training routines, etc - seems to be working. Maybe, now that's it's finally cost us a very important match, it's time to get really tough.
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| Quote ="Rilo"Spot on - it's Feka's job to be fit and he's nowhere near that at the moment. Pryce as well.
I'm not saying I want an 80 minute Feka, but he's got to do more than he does at the moment.'"
It's not even a case of wanting Feka to do more minutes anymore-that ship has long sailed unfortunatly but all we want now is for him to be able to do his job during his 30 or so minutes on the field.
It's sad that he's not actually fit enough to preform for his 30 minute spells anymore.
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| Quote ="NickyKiss"It's not even a case of wanting Feka to do more minutes anymore-that ship has long sailed unfortunatly but all we want now is for him to be able to do his job during his 30 or so minutes on the field.
It's sad that he's not actually fit enough to preform for his 30 minute spells anymore.'"
I do not think it was his fitness that was exposed, he only played for 10 minutes first half as his lack of mobility was being exposed and we had no option but to bring him off.
As I said earlier i believe his "fitness" has improved of late he seemed to be capable of more minutes but his rugby specific conditioning in my opinion has payed the price.
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| Quote ="Cruncher"Meanwhile, you continue to kid yourself with daft anti-Wigan propaganda that this is all our fault because we originally bought a lemon (who, by the way, we had to outbid you lot to sign).'"
That's not my point at all. My point is if you buy an overweight impact prop, you get an overweight impact prop and you can't say he is in breach of contract for continuing to be overweight.
Jeez, we signed Michael Smith!!
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| Quote ="jonh"I have to say although personally not working with Pryce I was at Gloucester when he was there and got to observe his training and conditioning on a few occasions and he was a beast one of the top in the squad, he comes to Wigan and suddenly according to your info becomes lazy? What is the reason for this change in attitude? If it is the case as reported you would have to highlight the coaching of the conditioning and failing to motivate the lad by whatever means necessary.'"
Not my info mate, I haven't a scooby doo how well Pryce trains, or Feka for that matter.
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| Quote ="FearTheVee"That's not my point at all. My point is if you buy an overweight impact prop, you get an overweight impact prop and you can't say he is in breach of contract for continuing to be overweight.
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You can if he becomes too overweight to even make an impact.
No?
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| Quote ="Cruncher"You can if he becomes too overweight to even make an impact.
No?'"
Dunno really, but severely doubt it given the subjective nature of "performance" in sport.
Feka could, I'm sure, point to other players in the league with less impact, so how can you sack him for breach of contract unless his contract says he has to be under a certain weight or make a certain number of metres per game etc, which of course it won't.
If he stops turning up for training etc, sure. But I very much doubt he's as stupid as he is fat
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| Quote ="FearTheVee"Dunno really, but severely doubt it given the subjective nature of "performance" in sport.
Feka could, I'm sure, point to other players in the league with less impact, so how can you sack him for breach of contract unless his contract says he has to be under a certain weight or make a certain number of metres per game etc, which of course it won't.
If he stops turning up for training etc, sure. But I very much doubt he's as stupid as he is fat
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| Quote ="FearTheVee"Not my info mate, I haven't a scooby doo how well Pryce trains, or Feka for that matter.'"
Appologies confused you with the other Saints poster on here.
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| I know this is completely random and totally off topic but i didnt think it was worth starting its own thread....
Did Wayne McDonald play for us or did i imagine it?
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Quote ="Mother Feka"I know this is completely random and totally off topic but i didnt think it was worth starting its own thread....
Did Wayne McDonald play for us or did i imagine it?'"
Yes
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wayne_McDonald
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Did Wayne McDonald play for us or did i imagine it?'"
Yes
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wayne_McDonald
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Christ i must have repressed it
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| Quote ="FearTheVee"Dunno really, but severely doubt it given the subjective nature of "performance" in sport.
Feka could, I'm sure, point to other players in the league with less impact, so how can you sack him for breach of contract unless his contract says he has to be under a certain weight or make a certain number of metres per game etc, which of course it won't.
If he stops turning up for training etc, sure. But I very much doubt he's as stupid as he is fat
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You may be right. But I can't see too many pro sports clubs tolerating a well-paid player who simply refuses to get fit.
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| Failure to follow an employer's reasonable instructions is a breach of contract. Repeated failure to do so will entitle to club to terminate his contract, provided the correct procedures are followed.
He can't simply refuse to lose weight when clearly he is overweight. Someone needs to tell him to shape up.
If BN isn't up to the job then he should resign now and make way for someone who has the determination to put Wigan back at the top of RL. To get there nothing less than 100% effort and a total unwillingness to compromise on standards will do.
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| Quote ="jonh"I do not think it was his fitness that was exposed, he only played for 10 minutes first half as his lack of mobility was being exposed and we had no option but to bring him off.
As I said earlier i believe his "fitness" has improved of late he seemed to be capable of more minutes but his rugby specific conditioning in my opinion has payed the price.'"
To me he's overweight which equals unfit in my book. His lack of mobility due to his size is a huge problem at the minute aswell but if he sorted out his fitness his weight would come down surely therefore giving him more mobility?
I know some players can be huge and still be unbelievably fit. Craig Smith was a big guy but i believe his fitness was ledgendry whereas Feka is huge because he's fat and unfit and is blowing out of his backside at the minute.
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| Quote ="NickyKiss"To me he's overweight which equals unfit in my book. His lack of mobility due to his size is a huge problem at the minute aswell but if he sorted out his fitness his weight would come down surely therefore giving him more mobility?
I know some players can be huge and still be unbelievably fit. Craig Smith was a big guy but i believe his fitness was ledgendry whereas Feka is huge because he's fat and unfit and is blowing out of his backside at the minute.'"
Well said I remember one match where Craig Smith chased someone on a breakaway caught him and won the ball one on one, cannot remember who it was against but just goes to show you can still be big, fit and fast.
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| you would think from a professional point of view, a player would sign a contract that would have clauses in it referring to performance which would obviously be linked to a responsibility to maintain the required levels of fitness to be able to compete. likewise the conditioner would have a writtten responsibility to achieve the required fitness levels of each player under his control. if the conditioner feels the player is not putting in the required effort to maintain those fitness levels, he should then report the player to his superiors, they then at the least should put the player into the reserves until he is prepared to meet the required fitness standards. unfortunately the people at this club seem loathe to drop anyone, apart from the local youngsters, even though every rugby league fan can see feka is miles away from where he should be regarding fitness. once again we have to question noble and lenegan on this matter.
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| We need to try and get rid of both of them come the end of the year and IL pay fees if needed to get us props that will actually do the job.
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| Quote ="NickyKiss"To me he's overweight which equals unfit in my book. His lack of mobility due to his size is a huge problem at the minute aswell but if he sorted out his fitness his weight would come down surely therefore giving him more mobility?
I know some players can be huge and still be unbelievably fit. Craig Smith was a big guy but i believe his fitness was ledgendry whereas Feka is huge because he's fat and unfit and is blowing out of his backside at the minute.'"
Fielden may be terrible.
But Feka seems to be the real weak link. What's worse is that every team will have recognised Wires tactics at attacking Feka, to create the weak link, and unless he gets alot fitter, its going to be a huge problem for the playoffs.
Wasn't Feka like 2 stone lighter before he came to Wigan? I remember him to be quite fit before Wigan. Maybe the coach's need to get their @rses into gear and sort him out.
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| Quote ="Cruncher"You may be right. But I can't see too many pro sports clubs tolerating a well-paid player who simply refuses to get fit.'"
They only tend to get rid of them when they can find some schmuck of a club to take them off their hands though. How many clubs in any sport have got rid of plainly unfit players by sacking them?
The shenanigans it took Bradford to cancel Tupou's contract show that you can't just sack him. He's fit enough to take part in training, what little he does there is irrelevant in this respect.
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| The Bouncy castle was Warringtons best player on saturday, I am sure that we will send him another tray of pies to say thank you.
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| Quote ="wireontour"The Bouncy castle was Warringtons best player on saturday, I am sure that we will send him another tray of pies to say thank you.
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Are you not in the 'Amos Roberts Appreciation Thread'?
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| Quote ="Ray Chicken"Are you not in the 'Amos Roberts Appreciation Thread'?
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Not yet, but good idea. Is there a little sam one as well.?
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| Quote ="wireontour"Not yet, but good idea. Is there a little sam one as well.?'"
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