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| Won the game in 1st gear, there’s been some real flat games this year, the standard of SL has been poor IMO.
There were some decent signs in the forwards. Harvard and Thompson are playing well currently, Nsemba also.
You’d have to think we’ll ramp it up next week and really target the game. It was the same exact weekend last year that the 34-0 came out of nowhere over there. Something similar would be nice. We’re cruising along and getting enough wins to stay up there, but we can’t go into the playoffs playing like we currently are. A big performance or two over the next fortnight would help massively.
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| Missing an organiser, hopefully the enforced rest will see Smith back refreshed and raring to go
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| Quick look back on the highlights and Dupree getting flattened off the ball could’ve seen us playing against 12 and we could’ve made some inroads on the scoreboard. Certain ban for whoever it was who did it. The ruck speed in all of our game recently seems to be killing us too. It’s taking an age to get the ball played and to be fair we’ve no momentum off the back of many play the balls in the game.
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| Another wins a win day. We're nowhere near our best and there will need to be vast improvements across the board but I'm confident it will come. Some of the younger players did themselves no harm but it won't be a game to rush out and watch the replay of.
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| I'm not too fussed about the result. Barely out of first gear and got the win. I know the commentators were making a big deal about Wigan needing points but I think Wigan made the right choice in doing the basics and getting the win. With Smith & Bevan out, I'm not surprised about the poor cohesion of the attack. Thankfully, Keighran seems to be a natural halfback who is covering well and Farrimond is back to playing well after his break. Nsemba is phenomenal, he has the potential to be a truly elite player in the future and it'll be a joy to watch. Thompson is a monster.
My big concern is Wigan look knackered. I hope they can recover but I'm worried we'll crumble before the playoffs. If that happens, I can see either Warrington or Hull KR winning the LLS and/or Grand Final this year. Hopefully, when Smith and French return, we'll return to the dominant Wigan we saw at the start of the year.
The decision to sin-bin Mago was ridiculous. How can the officials expect a 20-stone forward at full speed to kill his momentum in less than a foot? By breaking the laws of physics or disappearing in thin air? Playing the video back at full speed, there's no way Mago can pull out of that tackle. Vella also got it dreadfully wrong claiming Mago didn't wrap, which he did. The lack of consistency is a killer, not sure if it was Dupree or Havard who got crunched off the ball but if you're going to apply awful rules at least do so consistently. I just hope Mago doesn't catch a ban.
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| Quote ="jonh"Poor game not helped by the ref who allowed all kinds of nonsense at the play the ball.
Obviously still struggling in the halves but given how slow the PTB was they had very little opportunity to get on the front foot despite the fact we were consistently winning contact but not getting any reward for doing so.
Nice cameo from Forber. Gave us a bit more direction which I think at times we lacked under Leeming.
Job done but will need to improve next week if we want to pick up the win.'"
100%, thought that Forber would have come on at half time, I guess Peet wanted the game won first but we looked more purposful once he was on. As it worked out the game opened up in the last 10 and Forber didn't have the same dummy half role, the game at that point would have suited Leeming better.
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| Watched on TV and was bored stiff. Was a potential game we would have bought tickets for but glad we didnt bother
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| Quote ="Simba16"100%, thought that Forber would have come on at half time, I guess Peet wanted the game won first but we looked more purposful once he was on. As it worked out the game opened up in the last 10 and Forber didn't have the same dummy half role, the game at that point would have suited Leeming better.'"
Leeming was very lateral which worked at times but others it didn’t.
Forber was much more direct and benefited from us getting our nose through the line, leaving bodies on the floor and actually being able to play the ball at a decent speed without any messing about.
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| Can only echo what others have said; the Mago yellow card was ridiculous, and we did look ponderous. What the hell is wrong with Hill? Couldn't believe his first spell, and again, he was given the hook in next to no time. Douglas looked fine on the wing.
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| When’s cooper back? Really think we could do with him in that forward pack
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| Quote ="moto748"Can only echo what others have said; the Mago yellow card was ridiculous, and we did look ponderous. What the hell is wrong with Hill? Couldn't believe his first spell, and again, he was given the hook in next to no time. Douglas looked fine on the wing.'"
Funny how we see things sometimes because I thought Hill played well when he came on. He looked difficult to handle and was carrying players with him. On the flip side Dupree and Byrne need to really pick up their games. We know Byrne can be easy to handle with the ball but Dupree is at walking pace at the minute and needs to find some intensity.
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| I’m quite pragmatic about the lethargy in our performances.
Given how many games we have played over the last 2 seasons it’s impossible not to have peaks and troughs. In performance.
These will often be due to pre planned peaks and troughs within the training program.
I’m guessing we will have planned to drop off the intensity at this point of the season with a view to peaking again ahead of the play offs.
If you look at the current period we are in, it’s one of the only times where we can pull back in training and prepare to peak again for the playoffs.
I’d love to see us play 100% all year but it’s just not realistic.
You can plan to peak twice maybe 3 times a year successfully, and it requires a lot of skill planning and management from the coaches and particularly the performance/conditioning team.
I could obviously be wrong, I just think this lull will precede a strong build up towards the post offs which we will start to see signs of in a few weeks time.
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| Quote ="jonh"I’m quite pragmatic about the lethargy in our performances.
Given how many games we have played over the last 2 seasons it’s impossible not to have peaks and troughs. In performance.
These will often be due to pre planned peaks and troughs within the training program.
I’m guessing we will have planned to drop off the intensity at this point of the season with a view to peaking again ahead of the play offs.
If you look at the current period we are in, it’s one of the only times where we can pull back in training and prepare to peak again for the playoffs.
I’d love to see us play 100% all year but it’s just not realistic.
You can plan to peak twice maybe 3 times a year successfully, and it requires a lot of skill planning and management from the coaches and particularly the performance/conditioning team.
I could obviously be wrong, I just think this lull will precede a strong build up towards the post offs which we will start to see signs of in a few weeks time.'"
There’s too many variables in the playing staff for us to cope with any planned tapering at the minute unfortunately so we’ve just got to dig in (and it isn’t great to watch sadly!). A on the flip side, a rested Smith and Ellis shouldn’t be a risk to the side like a returning and rusty French and Farrell but to have them firing in the play offs is obviously the aim. Top 2 is going to be difficult and probably decided in the next two games.
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| Job done. Nice to see so many academy graduates in the team.
Get though next week then we’ll hopefully have our full spine back for the first time since Wembley.
Last 3 games all at home on Friday nights. Statement win against KR then win the final 2 to secure the shield.
Week off before the semis would be vital for a team who’s not caught a break all year.
Would be great to inject Cooper back into the team if his concussion is behind him.
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| Quote ="jonh"Poor game not helped by the ref who allowed all kinds of nonsense at the play the ball.
Obviously still struggling in the halves but given how slow the PTB was they had very little opportunity to get on the front foot despite the fact we were consistently winning contact but not getting any reward for doing so.
Nice cameo from Forber. Gave us a bit more direction which I think at times we lacked under Leeming.
Job done but will need to improve next week if we want to pick up the win.'"
Nail on the head. Compare Aaron Moore’s refereeing compared to other performances from the officials over the weekend, it’s chalk and cheese. Forber, in my view, is integral to what we do over the next few weeks, his distribution is far better than Leeming’s and it gives our playmakers extra thinking time. Must win next week.
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| Quote ="NSW"Job done. Nice to see so many academy graduates in the team.
Get though next week then we’ll hopefully have our full spine back for the first time since Wembley.
Last 3 games all at home on Friday nights. Statement win against KR then win the final 2 to secure the shield.
Week off before the semis would be vital for a team who’s not caught a break all year.
Would be great to inject Cooper back into the team if his concussion is behind him.'"
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| Quote ="DannyT"There’s too many variables in the playing staff for us to cope with any planned tapering at the minute unfortunately so we’ve just got to dig in (and it isn’t great to watch sadly!). A on the flip side, a rested Smith and Ellis shouldn’t be a risk to the side like a returning and rusty French and Farrell but to have them firing in the play offs is obviously the aim. Top 2 is going to be difficult and probably decided in the next two games.'"
If we win our next two games we will win the LLS. I’ve no worries about Bevan or Faz providing they are both injury free. Bevan buys time for all those around him and Faz gives us leadership and glues the team together.
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| Quote ="jonh"I’m quite pragmatic about the lethargy in our performances.
Given how many games we have played over the last 2 seasons it’s impossible not to have peaks and troughs. In performance.
These will often be due to pre planned peaks and troughs within the training program.
I’m guessing we will have planned to drop off the intensity at this point of the season with a view to peaking again ahead of the play offs.
If you look at the current period we are in, it’s one of the only times where we can pull back in training and prepare to peak again for the playoffs.
I’d love to see us play 100% all year but it’s just not realistic.
You can plan to peak twice maybe 3 times a year successfully, and it requires a lot of skill planning and management from the coaches and particularly the performance/conditioning team.
I could obviously be wrong, I just think this lull will precede a strong build up towards the post offs which we will start to see signs of in a few weeks time.'"
I think you're likely spot on. This side has done really well over the last couple of seasons in learning when to peak and hit full throttle and I expect we'll really see the players ramp up in the next few weeks. I got the feeling Peet expected a little more intensity today going off his post match comments but I wouldn't be surprised to see our intensity go up several notches away at Catalans next week, just as it did last year. That was the start of our run to OT and I think the timing of this one is positive as well. The players can get away and spend some time together and really be challenged.
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| Quote ="Zig"If we win our next two games we will win the LLS. I’ve no worries about Bevan or Faz providing they are both injury free. Bevan buys time for all those around him and Faz gives us leadership and glues the team together.'"
What if we lose our two final games?
The only way we are guaranteed to to win the LLS is by winning all of our remaining fixtures.
We’ve no guarantees that French will just pick up from where he left off. We all hope that will but I’m pretty sure that we will see a more conservative play form French particularly in his first couple of games back which for all we know could be in the playoffs.
Our intensity for the last 6 weeks or so has been poor and there is no guarantee that we can just switch it on when required.
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| Quote ="jonh"I’m quite pragmatic about the lethargy in our performances.
Given how many games we have played over the last 2 seasons it’s impossible not to have peaks and troughs. In performance.
These will often be due to pre planned peaks and troughs within the training program.
I’m guessing we will have planned to drop off the intensity at this point of the season with a view to peaking again ahead of the play offs.
If you look at the current period we are in, it’s one of the only times where we can pull back in training and prepare to peak again for the playoffs.
I’d love to see us play 100% all year but it’s just not realistic.
You can plan to peak twice maybe 3 times a year successfully, and it requires a lot of skill planning and management from the coaches and particularly the performance/conditioning team.
I could obviously be wrong, I just think this lull will precede a strong build up towards the post offs which we will start to see signs of in a few weeks time.'"
Not a personal jab Jon but the peaks and troughs in your post did resonate with me.
I’m in the first past the post are the champions guy. The playoff system more or less makes certain that some games/results aren’t important. I didn’t turn up today because watching effectively a poor championship team versus a team playing for “troughs” just didn’t appeal to me. I started watching on tv but after 5 minutes switched over to the athletics where for some unknown reason a guy decided to peak after the olympics to break the 3000 metre world record that had stood for over 20 years.
I don’t buy a ST for peaks and troughs. I will accept losses and loss of form but for the life of me I can’t accept “planned” troughs.
This season and particularly the last month have on the whole been pretty forgetful from a league perspective. Obviously injuries have played a part but the more I think about it the more I feel that I’ve got to accept peaks and troughs. I can on the whole, predict the troughs so this season I didn’t attend the following home games Castleford, Hull, Huddersfield and Leyth part 2. That’s over 25% of home games where I wasn’t remotely interested in the game either because the result was a forgone conclusion or I’d understood that those games were the “trough” games.
I want us to win and I’m more than happy sometimes just to get the win because it’s unrealistic to assume that we can peak every single game. What I can’t accept is that we “plan” for troughs.
For what it’s worth I think our current lethargy isn’t down to peaks or troughs I just think that our strength in depth, particularly in the front row, is due to lack of quality versus quantity available.
I still think that we are more than capable of winning the GF but that’s probably more due to a very low quality competition rather than we can just flick a switch to turn the magic on.
For me the reason why we are struggling to click at the moment is due to the loss of Cooper, Isa and O’Neil plus the interim losses of French and Field ie lack of experience rather than tiredness. If you tell people that they should be tired then the natural reaction is to feel tired. Peet and his staff hopefully can get us on the front foot starting from Saturday at Catalan. To do that he can start by letting Farrimond play his natural game rather than be a supporting role particularly from a kicking point of view. Take the shackles of Matty or at some point(s) we will lose the arm struggle over the next 6 weeks or so.
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| Quote ="Itchy Arsenal"What if we lose our two final games?
The only way we are guaranteed to to win the LLS is by winning all of our remaining fixtures.
We’ve no guarantees that French will just pick up from where he left off. We all hope that will but I’m pretty sure that we will see a more conservative play form French particularly in his first couple of games back which for all we know could be in the playoffs.
Our intensity for the last 6 weeks or so has been poor and there is no guarantee that we can just switch it on when required.'"
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| Quote ="Itchy Arsenal"What if we lose our two final games?
The only way we are guaranteed to to win the LLS is by winning all of our remaining fixtures.
We’ve no guarantees that French will just pick up from where he left off. We all hope that will but I’m pretty sure that we will see a more conservative play form French particularly in his first couple of games back which for all we know could be in the playoffs.
Our intensity for the last 6 weeks or so has been poor and there is no guarantee that we can just switch it on when required.'"
Obviously, we will probably need to win our last two fixtures to win the LLS and I think we will if we can turn over Catalans and HKR. I accept there are no guarantees about French hitting the same heights that he was prior to injury. However, what I can be certain of is that he will make those around him perform better. It is not just French though, the return of Smith, Ellis and Farrell is equally important. Take the equivalent players out of any other team and they will struggle. Interestingly, Wigan had nine players missing today and there was not one mention of that by the commentators. I do however, agree that our form has been bang average over the last six weeks and we will need to step it up.
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| Quote ="Zig"Obviously, we will probably need to win our last two fixtures to win the LLS and I think we will if we can turn over Catalans and HKR. I accept there are no guarantees about French hitting the same heights that he was prior to injury. However, what I can be certain of is that he will make those around him perform better. It is not just French though, the return of Smith, Ellis and Farrell is equally important. Take the equivalent players out of any other team and they will struggle. Interestingly, Wigan had nine players missing today and there was not one mention of that by the commentators. I do however, agree that our form has been bang average over the last six weeks and we will need to step it up.'"
Our form is bang average, no doubt about it Zig. Interesting, though, that we've still won 4 from 5 in August whilst missing many of our best players for much of it. Take the equivalent of French, Field, Smith, O'Neil, Cooper, Ellis, Faz etc. out of any team, many at the same time, and I seriously doubt they'd return 4 from 5. Hopefully that bodes well for the end of the season.
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| Quote ="Phuzzy"Our form is bang average, no doubt about it Zig. Interesting, though, that we've still won 4 from 5 in August whilst missing many of our best players for much of it. Take the equivalent of French, Field, Smith, O'Neil, Cooper, Ellis, Faz etc. out of any team, many at the same time, and I seriously doubt they'd return 4 from 5. Hopefully that bodes well for the end of the season.'"
One player you missed off there is Isa. Now attacking wise Junior has come in and improved our right edge attack (and now recently left) with solid runs, but has been caught out a few times in defence which has exposed that right edge with our new centre-wing partnership in Keighran and Miski. I do think we've missed Isa's defence on the right.
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