Did I bring Terry Newton into the thread?
Did I bring Stuart Hall and Fred Talbot into the thread with it's connotations?

Just so people KNOW what I said about Millward was that he screwed Terry Newton over. I clarified that by saying that Newton never wanted to leave Wigan and was at that time GB's first choice #9. I stand by that as one of the worst decisions I have ever seen made by a Wigan coach. I should have added that it didn't take long for Brian Noble to move Higham, starting by bringing in Shane Millard and then "Piggy Riddell"

I also stated that I had posted about the 20in2020 as a marketing opportunity on here before I did on RedVee, so how was that winding anyone up?

I didn’t say you did bring Terry Newton into it. What you said was “it was very sad what happened to Newton, Millward really screwed him over.” There was a clear insinuation of a link between what happened to him and something Millward did. It was low and that’s why it was deleted.

As far the other comments, they weren’t made by me so I’m not responsible for those.

The 2020 comment wasn’t made to wind folk up, no. I was talking in general that you do deliberately go on there for that purpose.

None of this has anything to do with this thread or the game tonight.

No it wasn't, that's how you interpreted it and why I explained it the way it was meant.

Ask anyone on here if they thought it was the right decision to replace Newton with Higham.

Moving on from quite a dark conversation. What are people looking forward to from this game? Hanley seems the obvious one, I know many wanted him to debut before now. Not sure what space he will get to work with today though. Big opportunity for Greenwood to dispell the 'soft' characterisation if he plays. He will be one of the senior forwards playing against a much bigger, stronger pack. Does he lead from the front and get stuck into them, or go missing when it's tough?

Rogues - you know a lot about our younger players, anyone you'll be particularly keeping an eye on?

No desire to argue over it mate. We move on....

ok

Back on topic please

I've just seen an interview with Harry Smith on Wigan t.v. and he more or less stated that there will be five debuts given tonight. Umyla Hanley, Sam Halsall ( i wonder who his dad will be cheering for

) Kai Pearce-Paul, Harry Rushton and Ben Kilner.
Jake Shorrocks will definitely play.

Really looking forward to seeing what Kai Pearce-Paul can do, he looks a little on the light side to me at the moment but apparently he has a lot of talent. Still has time to fill out with him being a young lad but signs look promising.

Unsure why Jake Shorrocks is still sniffing around the club. The lad went to Salford and I’ve heard Gleeson state he has nothing to offer.

Aye, he’s a big lanky thing Pearce-Paul but there’s plenty of filling out to do. I recall watching the highlights of him when he signed and he had a fabulous offloading game and I wonder if in the early days of his first team career if he could play a bit of centre. He certainly looks a good enough athlete to be able to do that and it wouldn’t hurt to have two ways in to the side.

That’s one strong saints side

This game is stupid.

Surely that's a red card and a long ban for Walmsley.

That's far more dangerous than the Flower tackle. Late, going at the legs, from the side.

I’ve just seen his knee pop there. An attack to the knee. He should get a very long ban for that.

Not gonna happen...marginal for me, plus no Darryl Powell moaning like **** about it.

First contact is with the knee, it’s a shocker IMO.

Also how boring are Saints? Just 5 drives and a high kick every set?

The more I see it, the worse it gets. Miles worse than that nonsense Flower got banned for. Wells will have a serious season-ending injury.

I think I was right on this - Hardaker could have backed up with him playing at centre on Saturday.

I know we’re 18-0 down but I’m really encouraged by the performance from the youngsters. Really putting themselves about here and making a statement

And in the same tackle, Lees has his arm pushed back as far as it will go (he lashes out at him on the floor) and Graham puts him in a crusher style tackle.

I'm not sure where Saints have 'dominated' as Carney claims. Clearly the better and more cohesive side but outside of the sin bin period it was pretty even.

The entertainers

Agreed mate! Other than Shorrocks I’ve been impressed with them all.

Saints dominating field position, possession and the ruck but our lads are hanging in there.

Expect Saints to run away with it in the second half but really pleased personally with how the forwards in particular Kilner are coping in the face of a massively challenging task taking on the Saints forwards.

Every one of these lads will be better players for this regardless of what happens in the second half and that is what matters in the long term.