I’ve been a Clubb fan myself and I think he’s been a good player for us but the situation at the minute with the minutes he’s playing is baffling. If you’re going to put three junior props in alongside one senior one, then you need your one senior prop to be able to knock out 50-60 minutes. I thought Clubb proved at times last year that he can still be a good player but I can’t help but agree with those who said we should’ve parted ways, especially if this is all he’s capable of. I guess they’re maybe managing him through games because he only managed about 5 minutes in the Leeds friendly but why Lam would do that when he has Bullock and Clark playing in the reserves is anyone’s guess.

Ideally I would want my frontline prop doing 80 in the mould of a Peacock or Graham

Lam is a stubborn moron who couldn't organize a p*ss up in brewery, but yeah we give him the head coaching job Wigan

That’s the dream ticket but there’s very few doing that nowadays. I suppose anything above Clubbys 20 mins is a start!

I’d go for this. Lam needs to keep the team together for consistency, he needs to realise he’s not playing Fantasy Football, players need time to gel and then they earn each other’s trust in defence. Can’t be chopping and changing every week.

I agree with this early in the season but this is the clubs fault, year after year we go into a season massively undercooked:

Friendly 1 - Skolars (Kids)
Friendly 2 - Leeds (First team 40 mins, 85% reserves 40 mins)
Friendly 3 - Leigh (Kids, reserves, fringe)

We do this every season and every season we start the year slowly, usually only finding our feet around games 4 and 5. No wonder some of our first team players don't look match fit by the start of SL.... they're not!

I don't mind the Skolars or Leigh games as such but that Leeds match should have been 80 mins first team. I also think they should have played at least another 80 minutes as well (like Salford away... etc).

Its makes you wonder weather they do this on purpose as they have done this past few years. If you play x2 pre-season games at full strength your playing x2 extra games and come the business end of the season this could be the difference when it comes to "petrol in the tank". Its not ideal getting your match fitness in the early rounds as you go along because it doesnt look pretty and you could potentially pick up some losses and injuries, but you can afford to do this due to the league structure, at the end of the day all you need is a top 5 finish. It would be interesting to see what a pre season would be like if its first past the post

Constructive comment would be more welcome that a football supporter type rant!

Quite possible. Under Wane the last few seasons we never looked anywhere near our best until August time.

Spot on, no real pre season warm up games for the first team squad.

We only played another Super League club in Leeds Rhinos because it was a testimonial for Liam Farrell and in the game some regular first team players spent less than the 40% you have mentioned.

Apart from the game against London Skolars which should be played by a complete Academy team, the other two games should be taken more seriously by the club with members of the first team squad spending more time on the field than what they are doing.

What I found so frustrating last week was the lack of core skills, such as the shocking drop off tackle for one of their tries and then the Farrell pass when he had options either side as another example...I’m no rugby player but surely even if the lads are a bit rusty, Wigan players should have the ability to nail the basics in tight games to get us over the line?

Whilst they shouldn't make those mistakes, can they be put down to early season cobwebs?

If only the first team played friendlies.......

Agreed, the first team need at least a game and half imo to settle in, playing 40 mins of 1 game isn’t going to make much difference they might as well not play at all

IMO anything other than a victory, and a comprehensive one at that, over a weak Toronto side will just not be good enough.

Tonight will say a lot IMO. We’ve had two games to get the rust off and on paper it’s an easy Wigan win. Will the players look like they know what the plan is? Will they look excited to be out there or will they continue to look like it’s their first ever game together.

Any result wouldn’t surprise me tonight.

I hope I'm wrong, but I expect another poor performance that confirms we'll be getting more of the same of what last season served up.

Maybe I'm too forgiving, but I think the weather may prohibit us from putting a ton of points up. I'd take 24-10.

I think the weather forecast is pretty good tonight Grimmy?

If Toronto turn up with a bit of determination and we play like last week then it could be a long night.

We really need to see some magic from French and Hastings tonight.

Lam looked shell shocked after last Friday so will be interesting to see what type of performance we give tonight . We need to be full on from minute one so that should mean no place for Clubb but I won’t hold my breath

Weather looks pretty decent (considering the recent storm) for tonight. No excuses for me. Tonight will either say Lam is done, or Lam has a chance. It’s as simple as that for me

Didn't realise that! Yeah we should really be putting 40 up then.

Hope I'm wrong but I just can't see us putting breaking teams down at the moment. I certainly can't see us putting on a 30 or 40+ point win either.

I can see Toronto scoring (maybe even going into a shock 0-6 lead), but my guess would be a 16-6 win. But knowing us we could lose a game like this, more pressure on Wigan than Toronto tonight.

Let's hope not though eh?

First ever Super League win away at Wigan.

Nailed on

Fulham, PSG, Catalans, might as well add Toronto to our list of shame