Greenwood played for England v NZ in the test series a few months back.
Bullock is with the England Knights.

Bullock was never involved in the England set up prior to joining Wigan though.

So? What's your point?

Stupid comment. We played poorly, yes, but in a few years that result will be forgotten. What won’t be forgotten is that some of us got to watch the first ever super league game at the Camp Nou.

The atmosphere before the game with thousands of Wigan shirts walking around Barcelona and chanting on Las Ramblas will stay with me forever.

We are so fortunate as fans that we have seen the team win countless Championships, Grand Finals, World Club Challenges and Challenge Cups. We will win again, but experiences like this trip don’t come around as often.

Sad for you to see it that way.

I was encouraged by the way we played in the cup but yesterday was a huge step backwards. While I agree with comments already made about specific players, what depressed me most was the lack of energy, particularly in that spell in the second half when they killed off the game.

On one hand, I’d question the attitude of the players, which for me, hasn’t been great all season - might be my imagination, but I’m seeing more instances of players are snapping at team mates in 2019, players taking time to get back in the defensive line etc. But then when I look at our structures in both attack and defence, we continue to make life hard for ourselves and easy for opponents. Holding the defensive line and not moving up is gifting metres to the opposition attack. The attack remains as one dimensional as it was under Wane, a lot of one-man carries, shifting wide so slowly that it rarely troubles a sliding defence.

As poor as some individuals were yesterday, the whole team seems locked into patterns and structures that simply don’t work or don’t work often enough. Its sapping energy, composure and discipline from the team.

I was hoping that Lam would transform our attack while maintaining our strong defence. Sadly, based on the evidence so far, he’s failed to do the former and our defence is much worse. I know recruitment’s been poor, I understand why some posters think the coach has been dealt a bad hand, but I still think we should be much better than we are.

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So having never represented his country he can’t be classed as an international for which your original post stated he was an international. That’s my point!

Nothing stupid about my comment, I hope you enjoyed it just like I hoped everyone else enjoyed it. I’ve visited Barcelona on several occasions and it’s a fantastic city. My issue is the club treating it as a jolly boys holiday. I actually feel sorry for the fans who paid to witness that performance but as you say the result will be forgotten.

Oh good one. I'm glad from my post that's what you took away from it. Completely disregarding the whole point, but yeah cool. Well done. An England Knight who represents his country isn't an international. Brilliant well done mate.

Thanks, there was much else to take from it.

Hahaha!

For anyone still around the players are all on Las Rambla now

Sarginson and Williams running sideways and Tautai going backwards?

Didn’t the Catalans pick their pocket enough yesterday?

I feel like, barring a penalty or knock on, we start every set within our 20 because teams are making 60+ metres against us every set.

Our forwards are just getting blown through week after week. It'll be a struggle to stay in this league with this pack.

O'Loughlin needs to be shown the door after this season, club legend or no. It's a business and he's bad for it.

My bad with Greenwood,forgot that one, not sure I count the knights though

don’t think the pickpockets would be targeting a load of rugby players anyway

Lam needs to go now, but Lenagan won’t sack him because he’ll have to pay him up to the end of the season.

So who's going to be the next coach ......

When you put it that way, it looks as if the problems are much more fundamental than having a few crap players who aren't trying very hard.

Of course, as things are, we have more than a few crap players, and even the ones who aren't crap aren't trying very hard. But all the things you mention are noticeable. We look totally disorganised - those passes to ground yesterday were terrible - give away constant back-to-back penalties (which few others teams do) and seem to lose our heads immediately when things are tough. The way we collapsed in 10 minutes yesterday was exactly like the second half at Castleford and the second half at Wakefield (none of which sides are anything special at all). At present, we have a team who could be ahead by 30 points and I wouldn't be certain of victory until a minute from the end.

Sorry, but Lam is useless. Week after week, Wigan seem totally unprepared for the demands of Superleague. In 2010, Michael Maguire took over a side that under Noble got nowhere near winning anything, and with no new signings turned them into champs in one season. They were the same players but under Maguire they started the season hyper-fit, looking well-drilled, well-oiled, and displaying the sort of controlled but intense aggression that we hadn't seen at Wigan in years.

I know that Maguire had better players, but my point is that a coach who actually knows what he's doing can work wonders. Besides, we can't just replace our cohort of underperforming losers so easily. That'll only happen over a period of years. However, we can change the coach - and the sooner the better.

Root and branch review and start again. I’d dig deeper than just the coach and part with all the assistants, strength and conditioning staff and recruit better than we have now with a proper due process and not some mates rates put-together boys club we have at the moment.

All that can't be done in 12 months.
WE have to start with the team and maybe the coach. Lam's situation has to be resolved one way or the other before long. These next four games are crucial.

Are there no mid season signings available? Our pack needs strengthening now not just for next year.

This have to change and will do so. We do need signings that will improve us through be it players and/or coach.

Wandering about La Rambla on Friday . Wandering about La Rambla on Sunday . Playing like they did on Saturday . Sounds more and more like a players jolly that went wrong. I was on La Rambla in a Wigan shirt at 12 noon and was glad I didn't see them I would have been horrified after yesterday . They should have been at Wigan training and being forced to view that horror movie that was the Nou Camp.

Regards EW

The WEP says the players are back in Wigan, albeit via Birmingham

I think that's right - at the moment we have fundamental problems in how we attack and defend, the net result of which are poor communication, errors, awful discipline and a soft underbelly, which means we are eminently beatable if the opposition get some momentum regardless of the scoreboard. I was quite happy when Lam joined as coach, but we can't carry on like this regardless of the hand he's been dealt with respect to recruitment. I've no idea why he's been unable to improve our attack while maintaining the high defensive standards from last year. I'd expect a coach schooled in the NRL to at least improve our attack, Wane didn't exactly set the bar that high. It's all very disappointing so far from coach and players - let's just hope we can pick up some points over the next month, if we lose the next four, I honestly don't see how the club could stick with him.