What on earth are you going on about? When have I demanded that people accept I am right? Or are you just making things up to suit your argument because I haven't actually done anything wrong?!



I have simply said that there is a lot of arrogance on this thread. That's all. (Some Wigan fans agree by the way, fancy that?!)

Yes I do find it a hypocritical that it's OK for a Wigan fan to say it but not a Saints fan. Hence the xenophobia comment. As for my track record, that's probably the biggest myth on these boards. I have had many good, reasonable debates with the likes of aboveusonlypie and Nickykiss in the past. One particular Moderator doesn't like the fact I sometimes disagree with folk and likes to make a song and dance about me and that's why people fall in line like sheep and believe I am some sort of serial trouble maker.

As for the last sentence, I am not even sure what you're trying to imply to be honest. My point was I would never generalise all Wigan fans as a certain thing, as they aren't all bad, far from it. Nor would I claim all Saints fans are right because some of them, on these boards in particular, are idiots and that's why I hardly post on here anymore.

So all that aside, what are your predictions? Or are you sticking with the ones that you put on Red Vee?
Just to get it back on topic of course.

With regards to both replies you made to me

Yes - I do think calling someone Childish is an insult - It's hardly a thing of Praise is it?

You then also say that I don't get the point - I do - You think 21-12 was being arrogant - Simple, I get it - So aim your reply at him not using the term "Wigan Fans" or "Yourselves" in a general post and then not expect us to assume your generalising.

I'm not picking fights - Your interpreting it that way - I'm stating that you said Wigan fans and the term Yourselves in a post where you didn't quote someone was a way of generalising that we were all arrogant etc.
Trainman replied to the person direct who he thought was being arrogant - Big difference.

As I said previously - I've stated my views on our chances and if I were a Bookie I would make us favourites.

PS

If you ever went on REDVEE and saw some of the one eyed, vitriolic hatred filled posts on there you'd be forgiven for thinking all Sintelliners were " Insert your own derogatory Remarks".

However - Surely there not all that bad are they?



But what I will say is that if I ever do go post on other boards and disagree with what a poster says I will quote them direct or reply to them individually.

The ones on redvee, as you know, were tongue in cheek in response to the constant negativity on there.

In all seriousness I've predicted Saints, Wigan, Hull and Warrington top 4 in any order.
Leeds and Castleford next.
Then Catalans.
then the remaining 5 all battling for the final spot in the 8 with Widnes and Leigh the weakest 2 from those 5 I think.

I'd like to think Saints will make at least one final but a lot depends on injuries towards the back end of the year. If someone had a gun to my head I'd say Saints v Wigan final.

Point made, I should have quoted him and not used generic terms such as "yourselves." However my post wasn't aimed at everyone, you have just taken it that way.

Saints won't even get top 4 never mind a grand final

At the risk of incurring the wrath of YG and sounding 'arrogant' I agree with you KR. I think Saints are a really bad side. It only takes a couple of injuries to, say Amor and Walmsley and they are sitting ducks. It's not arrogance, i just think Saints are particularly crap in terms of 'challenging' and of course i want it to happen too because after reading so many insulting remarks about us on Redvee (personal and general) i hope they fail at everything and i don't care how that sounds.

Strange you should pick at our props as being vulnerable should we get an injury or two. I'd actually say prop is our strongest position. As well as Amor and Walmsley we have Douglas and Walker coming in who both had great 4 Nations (Walker named in the top 2 props from all 4 sides). We also have Luke Thompson who along with Ryan Sutton who I've said many times I rate highly is one of the best young forwards in Super League. So prop is an odd one for you to pull us up on. I certainly wouldn't swap those 5 for any other set of 5 from any Super League club. Add Roby to that along with Greenwood and Knowles and I don't think there's a better pack.

However, had you said an injury to any of our 3/4 line will see us struggle then I'd agree. Our options after our first choice 1-5 are either terrible (Owens/Peyroux) or untried (Grace/Wellington). We are also vulnerable at half back as we may see over the next few weeks.

To suggest we are a "really bad side" is obviously a little OTT but this is a Wigan board so it's pointless getting into that debate! Also to suggest we are crap at challenging, after being several ludicrous calls off a Grand Final last year, 2 semis the year before and champions the year before that is all a bit of a stretch of your imagination I think. I'm sure that constitutes "challenging" by anyone's standards. Wishful thinking on your part maybe

I predict that the envious troll won't be seen for dust when we pound them (again) on Good Friday.

Saints to win nowt, Wigan to win all........ A poster to change his username to Green Giraffe...

Deary me. Some folk really can't stand a fan of another club having an opinion can they? Bless. To think you two are actually most probably adults as well.....frightening.

Ah ok, so ok for you to be tongue in cheek on Stains board, but not for us to be tongue in cheek here..... Ok, seems fair..

Thought you'd blocked me? Make your mind up.

He wouldn't need to if you just sod off back to evee. You can complain all day on there. You come over here and expect a heroes welcome when we all on here read the rubbish you spout off over there. You insult our club, our fans, our owner and you regularly hurl personal insults at Rogues and tell him to do one. If you dont like the shoe on the other foot i suggest you stay away from forums. You seem to think you own them and only your opinion matters. To you of course it does but i don't run around telling people they are wrong when they disagree with mine. Dont let door hit you on the way out.

Haha what on earth are you talking about? What am I complaining about? What welcome are you talking about? As for me thinking I own the forums, what?!



When have I insulted your fans, owner, club,etc? I'm married to a Wigan season ticket holder for a start so why would I do that? You are literally making things up. You've just gone on an aimless little rant and got a bit carried away. I won't be going anywhere unless I get banned (for what I don't know) so I won't need to worry about any door.

I tell Rogues to sod off on Redvee when he is blatantly trolling. There are other Wigan fans on there who I don't say anything to because they aren't trolling. If I was doing that on here I would expect abuse but I'm not. I was adding to a thread about predictions by saying it's arrogant to say Wigan are far superior to everyone else.

Seems like you're the one with the problem because I'm a Saints fan. Get over it.

Not wanting to get in the way of the Saints v Wigan fighting, but I find it strange you see the Saints pack as being better than Watts, Houghton, Taylor, Ellis, Manu, Minichiello, Bowden and Green

I think our props are better certainly, as a group of 5. Taylor had a brilliant year last year, a better year than Walmsley had for example, and I rate him highly. But like I said, I wouldn't swap our 5 for theirs as a whole.
I'd take their back row over ours though definitely. Ellis is better than Wilkin any day of the week, Minichello is awesome and would be the strongest 2nd rower out of the 2 clubs. I rate Morgan Knowles highly but he isn't quite there just yet and I also rate Greenwood highly.
Not much in it at hooker but I still wouldn't swap Roby for Houghton personally, although I admit last year wasn't Roby's strongest.

Taylor, Roby, Amor
Minichello, Greenwood
Ellis

That would be my pick if I had to choose it right now. So 3 of each.

I have, but your banal ramblings appear in others replies........ Unfortunately...

You replied directly to something I had written.

Booooommmmm!!!!!!!!!!!



8 pages and you finally win one!

Haha thanks mate. I'll sleep tonight.

I had a quick think about each of the top clubs first choice 17's the other day (bored on the train travelling to work is my excuse) and tried to compare them to our own and Hull was the only club I had down as having a very even split with ourselves in regards to which players from both clubs would make a combined 17. The vast majority of the Hull players I'd take were from the pack as it's clearly very strong.

It's tough to tell based on what looks good on paper but I wouldn't be surprised to see Wigan and Hull competing for the top couple of positions this year.

Oh dear..... One is notified that blocked users have posted.... I was curious... If you wish to see that as a win, enjoy it, as you wont see many on the Langtree sward this coming season... Fair thee well oh long necked one...