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| Quote ="Robbo"I've watched most games he's played in and to say he has been a flop is harsh. He had a bit of a slow start but once he got going he started playing some slick stuff. Particularly along the right side attack he set up quite a few tries for Conrad Hurrell. Ultimately he's playing for one of the "weaker" sides and the fact that he also plays alongside Shaun Johnson makes it hard for him to establish himself when he doesn't get used in the same way or anywhere near as much as he did at Wigan.
Granted he's hardly done a Sam Burgess and won an NRL title... but he has hardly disgraced himself. If he does come back to the superleague I suspect he will come back a better player for his experience over there playing some quality sides every week.'"
Yeh I agree with that. The thing is, last season the NZW were playing to systems which meant that Tomkins didn't get his hands on the ball in attacking positions anywhere near as often as he did at Wigan, where all our attacking systems were basically designed to get him in space. His return for tries and assists was still pretty decent with this in mind, and for a team that didn't even reach the playoffs. From the two games Tomkins has played this season it looked like they were utilising him a lot better in attack, and his injury has been pretty unfortunate because I think he was in for a big season.
I really hope he comes back to Wigan, but I hope he shows the NRL just how good he is before he comes back.
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| [urlhttp://www.wiganwarriors.com/WContent.aspx?id=8674&type=news[/url
Just to confirm what's already been mentioned by others
Quote As part of the agreement by Wigan to release the England International to take up this challenge in the NRL with New Zealand Warriors, it is agreed that Wigan will have first option to re-sign him [uat a defined salary[/u when and if the player chooses to return to Super League.'"
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| Quote ="Wigan28/Leeds18 Andy"[urlhttp://www.wiganwarriors.com/WContent.aspx?id=8674&type=news[/url
Just to confirm what's already been mentioned by others
Quote As part of the agreement by Wigan to release the England International to take up this challenge in the NRL with New Zealand Warriors, it is agreed that Wigan will have first option to re-sign him [uat a defined salary[/u when and if the player chooses to return to Super League.'" '"
Thought i read that when it was released.
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| Got to be worth a gold star?
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| Quote ="Wigan28/Leeds18 Andy"Got to be worth a gold star?'"
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| Quote ="Wigan28/Leeds18 Andy"[urlhttp://www.wiganwarriors.com/WContent.aspx?id=8674&type=news[/url
Just to confirm what's already been mentioned by others
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Good spot/well remembered/too much time on your hands?
It begs the question, did they take into account the pay rise he's had since being there? I think he went over on some £250k but is now on £350k ish. And would we have to pay back a third of the fee we got in the first place?
There must be an announcement pending
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| With wigan having first option on him, could he still turn them down? Or is he contractually obligated to go there if they want him to?
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| Quote ="i hate pies"With wigan having first option on him, could he still turn them down? Or is he contractually obligated to go there if they want him to?'"
From what i understood at the time he was contracted to us for 3 more years and that at the end of his NRL days he would comeback to us on a set wage already agreed. He was allowed to go to NZW with 3 years remaining on his contract and that he if he decided to go to another club in the NRL he would be allowed to do so but once he wanted to comeback to SL we have a set deal in place.
IL has said this in the last day or so
If he became available we would be very interested. So we’ll wait and see what happens with New Zealand
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| Quote ="krisleeds"NRL is the bigtime.
Not ing about scoring tries in the SL playoffs vs Widnes/Hull.
Homesick my bum, he's been a flop. All the NRL Warriors highlights i've seen have involved him missing a tackle of being outpaced.'"
Not fussed what he can or can't do in the NRL. I'm fussed about what he could do for Wigan and what he'll hopefully do again against sides inferior to their NRL counterparts such as Leeds.
If he goes to another club in superleague I'll be gutted as they'll have signed the competitions best player.
It'll be interesting to see the reaction (back tracking) if he signs for Leeds! All the stuff that Leeds fans throw at him is just a cover up for the respect you have for him as a player and you'd all pee yourselves silly if he signed for you.
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| Quote ="NickyKiss"Not fussed what he can or can't do in the NRL. I'm fussed about what he could do for Wigan and what he'll hopefully do again against sides inferior to their NRL counterparts such as Leeds.
If he goes to another club in superleague I'll be gutted as they'll have signed the competitions best player.
It'll be interesting to see the reaction (back tracking) if he signs for Leeds! All the stuff that Leeds fans throw at him is just a cover up for the respect you have for him as a player and you'd all pee yourselves silly if he signed for you.'"
Of course we would, but he won't, so it's pretty definitive that he's an overpaid failure with chronic injuries who's lost his speed, and Wigan would be better off signing a couple of proper halfbacks anyway
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| Quote ="Jukesays"I know!
I mean why couldn't he be like that long list of Leeds "Golden Generation" players that tested themselves in the toughest comp rather than be a Big fish in a Smallish pond.
There's Richie Mathers, Oh wait a minute
There's ....................
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Someone help me here a minute my mind seems to have gone blank!
Whats the name i'm looking for????
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Smoebody please help me here!'"
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| Now that he's a flop in the NRL he'll be perfect for Wigans SC, put him him on a lower wage than Budgie and send him up to Worky until he turns out good again.....
Anyway back to planet earth, NZ Warriors are missing him big time, they can't win without him
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| Quote ="craigizzard"Of course we would, but he won't, so it's pretty definitive that he's an overpaid failure with chronic injuries who's lost his speed, and Wigan would be better off signing a couple of proper halfbacks anyway
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couldnt make it up
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| Quote ="heisenberg"Gaz Ellis. Idiot.'"
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| Quote ="craigizzard"Of course we would, but he won't, so it's pretty definitive that he's an overpaid failure with chronic injuries who's lost his speed, and Wigan would be better off signing a couple of proper halfbacks anyway
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At least your honest
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| From a Hull fan as long as he doesn't go to Yawnion then I'd be glad to see him back
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| Quote ="Wigan28/Leeds18 Andy"[urlhttp://www.wiganwarriors.com/WContent.aspx?id=8674&type=news[/url
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Not worth the paper it is written on if he doesn't want to come back to Wigan they can't make him. That said I would be amazed if he doesn't return to you though.
Ps with every one re building you should keep your nerve as you have a very good young side which will probably start to dominate the league after next year with quota spots and cash in the bank.
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| Quote ="Burtons Forearm"Not worth the paper it is written on if he doesn't want to come back to Wigan they can't make him. That said I would be amazed if he doesn't return to you though.
Ps with every one re building you should keep your nerve as you have a very good young side which will probably start to dominate the league after next year with quota spots and cash in the bank.'"
If that is stated in the contract then he will have to either return to Wigan or who ever takes him has to pay Wigan a fee.
Bradford Bulls went bust when Leeds had first refusal on Harris and he went to the Bulls.
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| Quote ="tank123"If that is stated in the contract then he will have to either return to Wigan or who ever takes him has to pay Wigan a fee.
Bradford Bulls went bust when Leeds had first refusal on Harris and he went to the Bulls.'"
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| Quote ="tank123"If that is stated in the contract then he will have to either return to Wigan or who ever takes him has to pay Wigan a fee.
Bradford Bulls went bust when Leeds had first refusal on Harris and he went to the Bulls.'"
Try and enforce it under restraint of trade no chance. That case was a long time ago. No court would give you a transfer fee for a player who hasn't played for you in two years. It was pr nonsense to ease him leaving this 'clause'.
He'll come back to you don't worry just bartering his wage with the current noise.
Fantastic player. Looked class with the ball in the NRL.
Don't travel well the Tomkins boys though do they
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| Quote ="Burtons Forearm"Try and enforce it under restraint of trade no chance. That case was a long time ago. No court would give you a transfer fee for a player who hasn't played for you in two years. It was pr nonsense to ease him leaving this 'clause'.
He'll come back to you don't worry just bartering his wage with the current noise.
Fantastic player. Looked class with the ball in the NRL.
Don't travel well the Tomkins boys though do they'"
Tell the Bulls fans that cost them a million overall apparently.
It was only 10 years ago.
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| Quote ="tank123"Tell the Bulls fans that cost them a million overall apparently'"
Not up on that case but that was over a decade ago. A lot of law changes since then. The days of contract slavery are over. Thankfully.
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| Quote ="Burtons Forearm"Not up on that case but that was over a decade ago. A lot of law changes since then. The days of contract slavery are over. Thankfully.'"
250k thats not contract slavery. But Rugby players deserve more than they get tbh.
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