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| This deal falls down to money and simply nothing else.
Wigan offered H a deal that they thought was acceptable and he's chosen to take a larger pay pack at the expense of his career.
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| You can see four years ahead? Lottery numbers please!
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| The reason above and beyond everything else is cash. He's basically written off a chance of winning anymore trophies (it will take at least 5 or 6 years to turn Salford in to a trophy challenging team) to earn more money and get long term security for his family.
You can't blame the guy to be fair.
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| Wigan were approached by Salford and they made an offer.
Hansen said he wanted to go for a four year deal to his hometown club.
If his head had been turned then it's no use trying to hold on and get the best out of him.
H has been terrific for us and a real grafter. I wish him all the best.
His replacement I think will be Clubb. He's 26 with something to prove after some rotten years at London. He will have to perform with all the competition around him.
Good Luck to "H" I hope it works out well for him and his family.
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| Quote ="NickyKiss"The reason above and beyond everything else is cash. He's basically written off a chance of winning anymore trophies (it will take at least 5 or 6 years to turn Salford in to a trophy challenging team) to earn more money and get long term security for his family.
You can't blame the guy to be fair.'"
I don't blame him on a human level, he's got to do what he thinks is best for his family's long-term interests, I think everyone can agree on that.
He's effectively held the club to ransom though by saying he isn't sticking around, and if we don't agree to the offer he'll walk out on us and leave us high and dry in 12 months. For me, that's a poor way to leave a Club where he's enjoyed so much success.
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| A forward is probably at their peak in their late twenties in this day and age, he's probably got another 8 years in him, unless Wigan genuinely think they are replacing with equal or better it's baffling.
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| Quote ="Mystic Yed"A forward is probably at their peak in their late twenties in this day and age, he's probably got another 8 years in him'"
Maybe at Warrington! His peak was the 2008 season IMO, would expect him to retire at the end of the contract he just signed. I just hope those wrists don't come back to haunt him later in the season. Crazy what players put themselves through for the club
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| bit of a strange one, Wigan lose a good player, Hansen loses his testamonial £££. yes he's getting a pay rise, but unless its a massive rise he could get that next year and have his tax free lump sum this year
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| Quote ="Grimmy"Maybe at Warrington!
His peak was the 2008 season IMO, would expect him to retire at the end of the contract he just signed. I just hope those wrists don't come back to haunt him later in the season. Crazy what players put themselves through for the club'"
Think what you like, I'm not turning it into a silly Wire v Wigan argument.
Forwards are not at their peak young, it's just nature.
Australia first choice forward front line
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1 aged 25
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What would they know though.
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| Quote ="Mystic Yed"Think what you like, I'm not turning it into a silly Wire v Wigan argument.
Forwards are not at their peak young, it's just nature.
Australia first choice forward front line
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1 aged 24
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1 aged 32.
What would they know though.'"
Maybe, but how many of them have played anywhere near Hansen's 227 competitive club games? I really do hope that H has another 4 or 8 years left, but the body takes a toll based mostly on games played rather than age (with a couple of notable exceptions). The fact that only Lockers has played significantly more SL games than Hansen for Wigan since its inception shows that clocking up 250 games in the current era is somewhat difficult before the body starts to fall apart.
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| That must be close to £1 million in transfer fees received over the last few months. Be interesting when the accounts are finalised - surely they cant continue to hide all these "undisclosed" fees then....
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| Bless, how will Harrison cope with playing in front of 2100 home fans....money grabbing tit.
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| Quote ="terrykelly"Bless, how will Harrison cope with playing in front of 2100 home fans....money grabbing tit.'"
I see genuine fans of Wigan everywhere holding there heads in there hands just now, it's ok though we have a few posters that are tits aswell.
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| Personally gutted but life goes on. One thing we have lost that I do not believe can be replaced from within the squad is toughness and intensity.
If it was backs to the wall defending a 3 point lead on our line for a final set I can think of no other player I would want in my team. For me that cannot be replaced.
I still believe we need to add to the squad. 1 quality back or if non are available an overseas experienced forward with that toughness, Prop or backrow. Does not have to be a superstar but a real tough nut. If we do not I think there is huge pressure on Faz next season to up his physical side if the game. Whilst Faz is a 100% player, H is a hurtful player who can physically breakdown oppositions. Don't see where that comes from now at the moment.
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| Quote ="Wire Yed"Think what you like, I'm not turning it into a silly Wire v Wigan argument.
Forwards are not at their peak young, it's just nature.
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What would they know though.'"
I've watched Hansen week in week out for a decade now. He's slowly declined since '08. Probably due to all the knocks catching up with him. I generally agree that forwards tend to peak in their late 20s but it depends on the player, and claiming we could expect a player with Hansen's injury record to play on for 8 years, i.e until he's 36, is just daft when most still retire from the top level at 33 even with just the usual wear and tear
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| The problem is he is an experienced big game player. You do not need to play all year to be an important part of a Champion side given the make up if the league structure.
We have not added to our squad with a big game player to replace him and that is my concern.
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| Quote ="Grimmy"I've watched Hansen week in week out for a decade now. He's slowly declined since '08. Probably due to all the knocks catching up with him. I generally agree that forwards tend to peak in their late 20s but it depends on the player, and claiming we could expect a player with Hansen's injury record to play on for 8 years, i.e until he's 36, is just daft when most still retire from the top level at 33 even with just the usual wear and tear'"
He's slowly declined since 08? Are you being serious? (Or winding Salford fans up)
He's been exceptional these past few seasons and has really come in to his own. He is a top class player and at the minute we're struggling to keep lads that fall in to that category.
I've said before, we'll probably cope but this can't be dressed up as a good bit of business for the team. It's good business for the club off the field but certainly not on it.
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| Sounds like hes getting a good payday, good luck to him
Quote ="NickyKiss"He's slowly declined since 08? Are you being serious? (Or winding Salford fans up)
He's been exceptional these past few seasons and has really come in to his own. He is a top class player and at the minute we're struggling to keep lads that fall in to that category.
I've said before, we'll probably cope but this can't be dressed up as a good bit of business for the team. It's good business for the club off the field but certainly not on it.'"
Yep the team decisions in the last 5 years have been shocking, only 2 grand final wins, challenge cups and league leaders
In other words we are people on an forum ill leave decisions to the people who know what they are doing
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| Quote ="MidlandsWarrior2"Sounds like hes getting a good payday, good luck to him
Yep the team decisions in the last 5 years have been shocking, only 2 grand final wins, challenge cups and league leaders
In other words we are people on an forum ill leave decisions to the people who know what they are doing'"
It's just the predictable "Paniclikefu*k" posts we have become accustomed too. Remember last season!? People like stability, but a sporting team rarely is especially if it want to progress.
Lets get rid of IL and Wane, and get back to where some posters would be happy, 2006. They would have heaps to moan about then
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| At the end of the day IL and SW had a decision to make whether to make an offer to H that was as good as the 4 year deal that Salford were offering. H wanted to secure his future for the long term so Wigan needed to offer a long term deal, SW would have sat down with Rads, Deacs, Bitcon & IL and between them looked at all options and made an informed decision. They obviously felt that a long term deal was not the best option as they have young players coming through the system they may have to let go in the next 4 years if they tie up SC ang playing time with H. So they decided to let H go now instead of at the end of the season and have received a transfer fee...
We all wish H the best and if he rips it up for the next 4 years and is still one of the best 2nd rowers in the league then perhaps the club got it wrong......we will only know this over the next 4 years...
PS ( who has the crystal ball that was used when they let Fielden go...)
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| Ok weve lost a reliable big hitter, but wel be ok, i just cant believe people are moaning about the prospects of the team YET AGAIN before the season has even started. Remember what happened last year it was all negative remarks about letting finch and lima leave. Ok weve lost superleagues best player but weve replaced him with a class act we have support in numbers in the back row and weve still got all the young lads who proved themself to be more than up to the mark last season. Don't get me wrong im under no illusions its going to take a lot of hard work and effort to pull it off again but that's what were all about, weve got history weve got a production line second to none, nothing to worry about just look forward to more great achievements from the Warriors.
And a big thanks to Hansen for your efforts over the years a great role model for the club and a true professional.
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| A common belief last year was that Wigan man for man aren't as strong as say Warrington or Leeds. Another common belief amonst fans of those clubs by the end of the season is that "Wigan are greater than the sum of the parts". This was down to the coaching and back up staff instilling a wonderful team ethic into the squad.
Will Wigan be as strong without Hansen? Well on paper maybe not. But time isn't static. Players improve. Burke/Hughes/Lloyd will be better than last year and who knows what Bateman/Hopkins/Clubb will bring - they haven't even played yet.
Some posters reckon that Hansen's big game play will be missed. Well most of our squad now has big game experience from the last two seasons - the highs and lows.
Another thing that is worth mentioning. In his 23 appearances last season Hansen made one try and scored one try. Now obviously attacking isn't his strong suit. But other so-called big game players with similar defence (eg Jamie Peacock) manage to contribute in attack.
Hansen only became a regular when Joel was moved out to the centres, before that he was always behind Hock/Hoffman/Joel/Bailey. He has certainly given his all for Wigan. No disputing that.
But the club have decided that they wouldn't want to match a 4 year deal on (vastly-if the rumours are true) increased money. Things move on in sport.
And to those who think that makes Wigan a selling club. Well practically every sporting club in the world sells - once someone makes an offer that is considered to be far greater than their true worth (e.g. Man Utd - weathiest club in world sells Ronaldo).
I wish HH well. And I hope for the sake of Super League that Salford do well, because competition is good for sport. I just think that the Salford way of doing things has car-crash written all over it.
Wigan will make top four and get to OT again. Leeds are weaker than last season & Warrington are a lot weaker. Who are people worried about competing against without HH?
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| Quote ="jonh"Personally gutted but life goes on. One thing we have lost that I do not believe can be replaced from within the squad is toughness and intensity.
If it was backs to the wall defending a 3 point lead on our line for a final set I can think of no other player I would want in my team. For me that cannot be replaced.
I still believe we need to add to the squad. 1 quality back or if non are available an overseas experienced forward with that toughness, Prop or backrow. Does not have to be a superstar but a real tough nut. If we do not I think there is huge pressure on Faz next season to up his physical side if the game. Whilst Faz is a 100% player, H is a hurtful player who can physically breakdown oppositions. Don't see where that comes from now at the moment.'"
I agree 100%. Hansen is an 80 minute player who offers a level of intensity and physicality I do not see elsewhere in the squad other than those such as MM and Lockers who would be on the pitch beside him anyway.
He has been underrated all the time he has been here and I really don't think some people realise what we will miss with him gone.
It is IMO crucial Lockers remains fit because if he doesn't Faz alone isn't going to be able to steer the younger players through tough games IMO.
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| Quote ="Lippy"What is stupid about letting a player leave after he asked to go. It would be more stupid to hold him against his will. He wanted to leave for his own reasons and we let him go for a fee. He would have moved to Salford at the end of 2014 for nothing. Good player and I am gutted he is going but no player is irreplaceable. 4 years is a big contract for him, I don't think he has 4 years left in him and he would be a fool not to take it up.'"
At 28 I'd say he easily has four years left in him. I also don't believe he had any burning desire to leave based on comments from Josie over on Mike's board who actually knows H. He was even on Wigan TV earlier in the season saying he'd be here as log as Wigan wanted him. All those comments about IL seeing it in his eye that he wanted to leave is PR spin. We should be used to it by now. There is always an excuse when a good player is sold.
The club got an offer and decided to sell. If they didn't offer H as a good a deal as Salford to extend his contract you can't blame H for accepting the chance to move but you do have to question the clubs logic. SL is hardly awash with players of H's quality so IMO if the club has a chance to keep such a player (and it certainly did) then it should.
The old cliché that any player is replaceable is true - if you find a suitable replacement not just by sticking the no 11 on someone else's back andt H leaves a big hole in the side with no obvious replacement.
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| Quote ="DaveO"I agree 100%. Hansen is an 80 minute player who offers a level of intensity and physicality I do not see elsewhere in the squad other than those such as MM and Lockers who would be on the pitch beside him anyway.
He has been underrated all the time he has been here and I really don't think some people realise what we will miss with him gone.
It is IMO crucial Lockers remains fit because if he doesn't Faz alone isn't going to be able to steer the younger players through tough games IMO.'"
Don't forget that the younger players like Taylor and Crosby for example are winners now. Who knows how good these guys can be. Added to the double winning youngsters are a load who have already tasted life in super League. Over on the Leeds boards there is a lot of criticism of how they haven't even begun to replace an ageing pack and are heavily reliant on over 30s like Peacock/Leuluia/JJB/Bailey. They have some good youngsters in Ward & Singleton but have manged to lose the England Academy captain to NZ Warriors, mainly because he wasn't given much chance or doesn't see much game time happening this season. That's not something you can accuse Wigan of is it?
Personally I prefer the Wigan way. I think that the talent pool is staggering and we have the coach who gives the youngsters a chance. He doesn't always get it right (Jack Murphy) but more often does (Crosby/Taylor/Hampshire/Thornley/Hughes etc). I can't wait to see Sarginson/Bateman/Hughes/Hopkins/Hampshire/Powell/Williams/Lever/Burke/Manfredi/Burgess etc etc this season.This really is a golden age for Wigan. Try to lose the glass half-full mentality and enjoy what no other club in super league can boast.
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