Did we breach the cap?

I thought it was that massively concrete legal argument of the "spirit" (good luck to the RFL in enforcing that one if we went to court) of the cap.

Maybe Yellow Giraffe knows something that we don't?

Or maybe he IS a "Giraffe"

We all know what Wigan did in order to avoid relegation. You can hide behind terminology if you want, but you know as well as I do that you cheated to survive.

This genuinely made me laugh.

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You lot had a few hefty fines for salary cap breaches, so pot calling kettle black springs to mind.

Read the rest of the thread but you post stuff that's been talked about already. Thanks.

Careful with your language. Wigan did not "cheat". We exploited the rules to the full. Isn't that what everyone does (and should) do in professional sport?

No different to taking the full allotted time to make a conversion, or stealing an extra yard if you can get away with it.

Wigan did not break the CC. Fact.

I will give you the facts.

Wigan deferred the wages of several players e.g. Harrison Hansen so they didn't exceed the cap when signing other players.

There was at the time [unothing[/u in the rules to specifically prevent this. In Australia in the NRL it was pretty routine and this was the basis of Wigan's argument when challenged.

Castleford led the charge of indignation against this approach and indignation was all they had because Wigan were not actually breaking the cap or any rules since there weren't any to preclude deferring wages.

The RFL then used the "spirit of the cap" rule to deem Wigan had broken the rules.

Wigan were deducted points but avoided relegation. Maurice Lindsay was going to take the RFL to court over this but said given any case would only occur after the seasons end there was no point pursuing it.

I always felt it was a pity he didn't because I reckon he'd have won, the rules would have been clarified and the stupid catch all of "spirit of the cap" would have to have been removed from the rule book.

That is it in a nutshell. You might not like it but then that would simply be tough luck.

You complained that we talk about winning trophies the past, when it was "Unfair" in your view. But, when i suggested you talk about the last 5 seasons.. Nothing... Which is appropriate.

You cheated, hence your punishment. Very simple.

What makes me laugh is when I pointed out that one of the times that Saints got done was due to payment made to international players, I was told to shut up and we cheated and our achievements in those years were null and void, despite the fact that why we did didn't affect our success that year. However I am supposed to accept the mitigating circumstances in the year that you broke the cap? Very hypocritical.

As have you, whats your point?

Like wise you continue to regurgitate old drivel in a lot of your posts in an effort to be controversial or just throw out a hook see what you can catch, yet everything you have posted has been shot down with facts. This troll needs to be banned he/she is nothing but a wind up merchant

Still finding it difficult to talk about the last five seasons YG, or does that not suit your trolling?

That was when Superleague went to a level salary cap i.e All clubs could spend up to the Max cap limit.

Saints cheated the cap a year in which they won the GF. Therefore that should have been removed like they would have done if it was Wigan, and Saints Championship count should be reduced to 11.

Are you really that thick?

Read DaveO's last post if you don't believe mine.

Wigan did NOT break the rules. There was NO rule preventing Wigan from doing what they did.

Frankly you should be thanking Wigan for taking the points deduction and not going to court because if they did they would have won the case and further undermined the RFL.

If Wigan had done nothing wrong, they wouldn't have been punished.

If Wigan genuinely believed they were innocent, they would have challenged the punishment.

I am not a troll. You can't ban someone for simply disagreeing with people. I am an opinionated person but I simply speak my mind and say what I believe. Apart from the odd blip I don't resort to personal insults either, unlike the barrage of abuse I regularly receive on here. If they banned me they'd have to ban a lot more besides.

How much do Saints still owe the taxman for their offshore/EBT scam. Perhaps YG should ask his chairman at the next Shareholders meeting. Oh hang on they haven't had one for about three years.

You tell me Rogues, you're the all-seeing eye of the accounting world aren't you?

Still a difficult one for you?

Quote ="Rogues Gallery"How much do Saints still owe the taxman for their offshore/EBT scam. Perhaps YG should ask his chairman at the next Shareholders meeting. Oh hang on they haven't had one for about three years.'" Rogues are you referring to this or is it another scam St Helens pulled www.theguardian.com/sport/2009/a ... e-payments

Quote ="Rogues Gallery"How much do Saints still owe the taxman for their offshore/EBT scam. Perhaps YG should ask his chairman at the next Shareholders meeting. Oh hang on they haven't had one for about three years.'" Rogues are you referring to this or is it another scam St Helens pulled www.theguardian.com/sport/2009/a ... e-payments

Quote ="tank123"Rogues are you referring to this or is it another scam St Helens pulled www.theguardian.com/sport/2009/a ... e-payments'" I think this is the one he is referring to.

Quote ="tank123"Rogues are you referring to this or is it another scam St Helens pulled www.theguardian.com/sport/2009/a ... e-payments'" I think this is the one he is referring to.

Yet you continue to disagree with people despite the overwhelming evidence put before you by certain posters on here, you must be one seriously thick skinned person or just plain dumb because your posts are deeming you as a troll / wind up merchant.

Speaking your mind is great , but there is a time to keep some thoughts in your head.

I am far from dumb. And yes I am thick-skinned, I don't let being in the minority deter me. This is an open forum where I am able to speak my mind, therefore I do.

As soon as I am presented with evidence to prove something I have said to be wrong, I will admit as much.