Where have i said anybody was the Bees Knees? Try rereading and not jumping to conclusions... Has any OFFICIAL complaint been made.. I'm not defending anyone, just asking, so don't jump down my throat...

I was at the game, and what I saw was a fire/smoke bomb/cracker been set off in the stand where most Wigan fans were sat, then some people fighting and then a load of steward rushing to the scene.

Not trolling just stating what I saw.

Personally I have never seen anything like that at a rugby match (seen plenty of stuff at Football matches but that's not the point).

These so called fans should not be allowed in if what they want to do is that as above, I feel sorry for the vast majority of Wigan Warrior fans who have to suffer these fools.

it started when 1 of the lads nr the drummer the ones with their hoods up/scarfes round their mouths decided to let a smoke bomb off .the people were i was sat ,told them they were out of order, they took exception to this and started throwing punches , thats when the stewards came and ushered them out. the sooner they stop trying to be pillocks the better, totally out of order

Yes it did happen, after Wigan failed to break our defence and we scored an interception most Wigan fans got up to leave, the 'ultra's' or whatever they choose to call themselves let a smoke bomb off which caused stewards to run to the scene, other fans who were leaving must have offered an opinion on this action , to which the 'ultras' decided to start throwing punches at other Wigan fans and stewards and generally acting like animals ....they were apparently causing trouble in fast food restaurants in town before the game upsetting families too and leaving silly little stickers all over.
I'm not going downt eh 'they are football or bugger off to football' route cos these lot are Wigan RL fans or they follow Wigan RL ...the fact is they want to be seen as a spin off of European hooligan firms and are starting to act liek them !

Not quite sure what I have said...

Care to explain?

They are just a bunch of c***s. I must admit I didn't see much of the incident as I was sat at the opposite end of the ground but these lot are a disgrace to our club. The original concept was excellent however this has swiftly changed!

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Is that enough for you !

Is Odem still around with his Brigantes Avatar.? He was always quite happy to give it large to those who were exppressing doubts about the Ultras.

All the hassle a couple of years ago when some Wigan fans and some opposition fans said they were worried where the whole ULtras thing was going and did not think it was a good idea, hounded and abused on the boards and told to shut up. Yet it is coming back to bite people on the Arris. The whole get the atmosphere going, the flags the singing all great. Tying it up into an Ultras thing was never going to work, and now it is left up to Drunken kids is only going to cause hassle for decent Wigan RL fans.

No doubt a critical post like this will bring out the usual knee jerk reaction of my club right or wrong, your just a troll blah de blah. But it was my view 2 to 3 years ago and i feel it is still a reasonable view that unless the issue is stamped on quickly it will deteriorate.

Knew this would happen when they gave themselves a name like that. If theyd called themselves Wigan warriors supporters club or similar it'd have been ok probably but nope they had to do this. No need at all.

Not quite following you to be honest, still struggling to understand how you can make a statement like "Coventry Bear and 21 -12 are not on here saying the Ultras are the bees knees and everyone who criticises them have no idea what they are talking about" and come out with all the above guff which doesn't back up your original statement.

Also my comments on the Brigantes/Ultras has been dug up from a good couple of seasons ago, a lot has changed since then.

Clearly you haven't grown up though...

You're going to have to come up with some different quotes from Cov Bears to defend what you originally said about them.

I'll come up with some quotes...

"If I was to give constructive feedback (not a criticism) I would forget putting stickers all over the place as this is technically vandalism and gives the Brigantes group a bad rep. Through singing and putting on impressive displays at games, word will get around. Also add in the Youtube group, forum and website it all helps"

"I would also drop the cherry and white balaclava that someone is wearing because it looks intimidating and daft, also the Megaphone looks like you are protesting against something and isn't really needed"

I am in no way connected with the Brigantes/Ultras group and on a number of occasions have given suggestions to how they can improve to get away from the Ultra type perception that comes with this type of thing. I've given them credit where its due on improving the atmosphere at games and in no way ever condoned anything wrong that they have done.

Unnecessary statement from Durham Giant in the first place to be honest.

Brigantes an anagram for 'breasting'?

Its clearly dividing us , although most do seem to agree that this behaviour has to stop now. I like some of the things they've tried to do " The flags , some of the songs and the atmosphere they have tried to bring to games " I'm all for it.

Just one last thing on the subject for me. Brigantes keep dong the flags and songs for the team , but the silly behaviour stop it now lads for the benefit of all Wigan fans .

these idiots are nowt but a bunch of young idiots who cant take their beer,if they decide to kick off at cas or leeds they will find themselves getting owned just like they did at HKR last season

Unfortunately that is the sort of reaction it encourages in other teams numpties.

Then i am quite happy to apologise

as it appears that your views have changed. I was only going on what i remebered at the time of the original discussions when anyone who said it was bad idea were shouted down.

Although trouble occurs at all crowds by all sets of fans at some time- those incidents are usually down to tempers fraying and too much beer and just occur as things flare up. However these cretins are going round with scarves and hoods to hide their identity, and flares/firecrackers in their pocket. There is a perceived intention to intimidate and disrupt. A reputation will grow from this if people act all ostrich like and put it down to a few idiots, that's what it is at the moment but that could change as people make the choice to stay away. I doubt the terrified little girl in tears in the carpark will want to come again with her grandfather,
I will be coming to the DW - but I'm seriously thinking twice about taking my elderly mum and my seven and eight year old.

I have to say we certailny dont want our club Reputation to be marred by thuggish hooligans, and no matter how many of you try to defend them or try to compensate for all the good they have tried to do i personally saw some of the trouble makers and they were kitted out in stone island jackets and all your typical hooligan gear, do us a favour put a warriors shirt on or frigg off and watch the football. Rugby League has never and will never be a breeding ground for hooliganism there's a reason why we call it a family sport and a reason why we are allowed to drink alchohol in our seats, if mindless idiots like yourselves were to take this priveledge away from me and the other 99.9% of fans, i for one will make sure every last one of you gets a lifetime ban from attending our games, we dont need your kind of support, grow up or ship out!

RL had a shocking reputation in the 70s and early 80s.

Jools I would not worry, have been to the DW with The Giants and Crusaders in recent years and had no problems whatsoever.

In the Cup last year the Brigantes were in the stand where the bulk of the Crusaders fans were and the atmosphere was excellent, think they did go there aiming to intimidate but it was going to take alot more than that to worry the visiting fans and they even started pinching a few Crusaders songs by the end and probably embarrassingly for them now celebrated the Crusaders try as though it was one Wigan had scored.

Misguided probably, heart in the right place, for sure but a threat to everyone who goes to watch Wigan play....I don't think so.

I've been to the DW every year for several years, my family have sometimes come too-it's one of the few all seater stadiums that means we can all go and see the game alongside other giants supporters, my mum finds it difficult to stand for a whole game. I dont mind the chanting and the singing side of the intimidation - that's to try to make the stadium a fortress for the home side - but if flares, vandalism and violence is part of what they do - I won't take my family. I don't want my 7 yr old daughter to be so terrified it puts her off the game. If something kicks off outside the stadium again- I don't want to be worried that my 73 yr old mum can't get out of the way. Perhaps you think I'm over reacting but if this isn't dealt with it's only going to get worse not better. A lot can happen between now and August.

To be honest i dont really understand it.

Singing songs wavibg flags and getting the crowd going i get.

Why would you want to intimidate away fans though? Dont we want them coming and spending their money just from a financial point of view.

What do ppl want no away fans? Or just intimidated ones thwt sit quietly for 80 minutes.

I dont get to go to a lot of games but hopefully that will change soon (finances etc) and im looking forward to bringing my daughter but not to listen to a load of numpties shout and scream then kuck off with other fans.

If i want my daughter to see that kind of thing il stay in blackpool and not pay for the privalege.

On a side note dont see why fans unhappy about this dont just ask the club to ban the said group and have done with it. No more "clubs" just fans and if they bring flags and sing more the better but no more "pack" mentality.

Apologies for spelling on my phone

You could be right and to be fair it was probably lucky Wigan did not score in the 2nd half as the flare (or whatever it was) would probably have gone up earlier and caused more angst and problems between the Wigan fans.

In truth if it focuses minds it was a minor incident compared with what could have happened and where they go from now will determin if your worries are correct or not.

3,500 at Huddersfield yesterday suggests otherwise.

This makes very sad reading.

The Brigante thing was a brilliant concept, and well done the guys who strarted it off, but in hindsight things like this can go off the rails.
The original brigante "commitee ?" worked hard, putting in their own cash, and using their own unpaid time to make matchdays exciting.
The club worked alongside and gave support, as did Old trafford in the 2010 GF. The guys ran events like the fundraisers at Spring View cricket club, and some notable "names" turned up to help raise the profile, Billy Boston, Bill Ashurst, Graham West, to name a few, even the Warriors kitman turned up. The club donated prizes, merchandise and season tickets and lent the Trophies they won to help raise cash.
They raised a substantial sum for charities, notably the time they lugged a book around for people to sign, again at their own time and expense.
I dont know where, when or how it all changed, but it did change, and not for the better.
The last time i was close to these guys at a match , it seemed to have been hijacked my kids who cant hold their beer, some not even old enough to be drinking.
If any of these young mindless clowns are reading this, take a step back and think.
Think about how the guys who got this off the ground are feeling. You are undoing the hard work they put it.
STOP IT NOW GUYS, AND GROW UP.