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| Quote ="Durham Giant"Wane and some |Wigan fans on here are embarrassing themselves.
It was high and late but the worst thing from my point of view was that it was done to a player who was facing away so could do nothing to protect himself. Mc Ilorum is lucky he did not cause a serious injury.
Absolutely the right decison by Ganson !'"
If Radlinski reckons it was wrong, it was wrong. I haven't seen it back myself yet having been not long back but that is one man's opinion I respect compared to Ganson's.
The funny thing about sending offs generally though is most are technically correct but those doing all the moralising and sitting themselves on a pedestal of virtue know full well there is a huge level of inconsistency about decisions. And of course they always agree with every sending off of one of their own players
There was at least one incident in the game tonight more dangerous than what MM did. If people are so convinced MM was a red, why isn't the focus on the fact they were let go?
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| Quote ="DaveO"If Radlinski reckons it was wrong, it was wrong.'"
Well that's that then.
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| Quote ="Durham Giant"Wane and some |Wigan fans on here are embarrassing themselves.'"
You can have your opinion, but it's definitely not a cut and dry thing just because people don't see it your way. The guys on the radio were saying it was a yellow at most, so it's not just Wigan fans.
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| Quote ="Wigg'n"Well that's that then.'"
The man is a legend. Ganson isn't.
There is another who thought it was wrong and that is Lockers - I am pretty sure it was him. When the red came out Finch had to restrain him from going over to Child when he looked like he would deck him. Given Lockers normally doesn't say boo to a goose I was quite surprised.
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| Quote ="JackH"You can have your opinion, but it's definitely not a cut and dry thing just because people don't see it your way. The guys on the radio were saying it was a yellow at most, so it's not just Wigan fans.'"
Phil Clarke said it was a red card, so it MUST have been
In all honesty though the majority (on here and twitter) seem to be saying it was the correct decision.
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| One of the clearest reds I've seen for a while. A high, late swinging arm, caught Laffranchi right in the mush. I'm unsure where the argument is to be fair, and it's all coming from people who were at the game. Obviously didn't get a good enough view of the screen.
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| Quote ="DaveO"There is another who thought it was wrong and that is Lockers - I am pretty sure it was him. When the red came out Finch had to restrain him from going over to Child when he looked like he would deck him. Given Lockers normally doesn't say boo to a goose I was quite surprised.'"
*team mate sticking up for team mate shock*
I'm not sure how you can keep commenting on this issue when you admit that you didn't see it or want to see it again.
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| Quote ="Albion"*team mate sticking up for team mate shock*
I'm not sure how you can keep commenting on this issue when you admit that you didn't see it or want to see it again.'"
I am basing my comments on what I [usaw[/u at the game which since that is all I have seen seems fair enough to me. Lockers as I have often said on here is far too shy compared to Sinfield or Briers so to see him blow a gasket is way out of character.
I find it interesting though that you ignore the points I made about sending offs in general. You know that all those saying "It was definitely a sending off" have never disagreed with such a decision themselves in the face of others saying it was. From [iwhat I saw at the game[/i it was one of those that might get a red a yellow or nothing. It's yet another incident that makes the case for video refs at all games or at none because I am convinced it was Ganson watching it in slow motion (as no doubt you did on the replays) who made the decision.
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| Quote ="Matt23"One of the clearest reds I've seen for a while. A high, late swinging arm, caught Laffranchi right in the mush. I'm unsure where the argument is to be fair, and it's all coming from people who were at the game. Obviously didn't get a good enough view of the screen.'"
Then why all the booing of the ref ?
It was very loud.
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| Quote ="fleabag"Then why all the booing of the ref ?
It was very loud.'"
The ref always gets booed when we lose, whether they sent one of our players off or not.
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| Quote ="Wigg'n"The ref always gets booed when we lose, whether they sent one of our players off or not.'"
Oh no they don't !
And certainly not to that level of decibels.
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| Just watched the recording and definitely a red card. McIlorum has become something of a liability recently and on recent form isn't going to be missed the next few weeks.
As much as Wane wants to be his own man, he could well do with taking a leaf out of the Maguire book of coaching and keep his effing mouth shut.
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| Quote ="Wigg'n"The ref always gets booed when we lose, whether they sent one of our players off or not.'"
No they don't. Sometimes it happens that teams turn up who want it more, or we play like donkeys. Or there's just a good game of running rugby. Unfortunately we're lumbered with useless pr*ks like Child & Alibert who should never have been given a whistle in the first place.
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| not read all of this thread so forgive me if i repeat someone else but i think it probably was a red but ive also seen certain players let off with exactly the same, i mean players like morley do at least 1 high tackle every week and never get sent off or suspended thats the difference. i'd like to see the differential between penalties conceded for high tackles and those sent off and its the same for those that throw punches because every time ive seen a wigan player in a fight or punch up he's been sent off or suspended but thats not the case for other players in other teams WHY?.
1 more thing how come a swinging arm is a red card but elbowing ur opponent in the head while he is on the floor isn't.
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| Quote ="Wigan28/Leeds18 Andy"Just watched the recording and definitely a red card. McIlorum has become something of a liability recently and on recent form isn't going to be missed the next few weeks.
As much as Wane wants to be his own man, he could well do with taking a leaf of the Maguire book of coaching and keep his effing mouth shut.'"
I've just watched it too. He got what he deserved. Strangely enough I actually mentioned this a month or so ago, it was a "car crash" waitng to happen.
He deserves three or four matches for being so stupid.
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| Quote ="Albion"Embarrassing reaction, and every Wigan fan I talk to on twitter agrees with me.
How anyone can say that wasn't a sending off clearly needs to sleep on it and watch it again in the morning: clear red card.
Perry was lucky to stay on I have to admit.'"
Don't you see the irony of your own post? The fact is you can't defend the sending off and then say Perry was lucky to stay on. There's either consistency or there isn't. In this case there definitely isn't; either in the decisions or your post! I In addition I could point to tens of similar incidents this season that haven't resulted in sendings off, or even sin-binnings in most cases. It's been the same with punching. The week after MM got sent off for a single punch, Paul Wood didn't even get sin-binned for a much worse one! The simple fact is, whether the decision was a correct one or not (and that is open to opinion) there is no doubt whatsoever that the consistancy and standard of refereeing this season has been the worst I have seen in over 20 years of watching rugby. Childs performance tonight, with or without the sending off, was of the same standard we have come to expect from SL referees and, in my opionion, has stared to result in situations where games are efectively being ruined for thousands of paying spectators. Something needs to be done. Unfortunately I strongly suspect that the situation is not set to improve anytime soon.
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| From a neutrals perspective, that was as clear a sending off as you're ever likely to see; late, high and intentional.
I don't know why anyone's surprised - as talented as the player is, he's been an accident waiting to happen; cost you the game there and could have further repercussions when he cops an inevitable 2-3 match ban.
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| Quote ="sergeant pepper"It simply wasn't.
I'm happy the head coach of WRLFC agrees with me and isn't a soft ar$e like you.
Perry was just as bad but strange how when its a Saints player it suddenly becomes part of the game?
RL needs to seriously evaluate the direction it's heading in.'"
It seems you and wane are the minority but everyone is entitled to their view, I'm sure the RFL will deal with it on Tuesday.
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| I expected this thread to be about how embarassing it is to watch attempt to referee a game of rugby league. The players don't respect him.
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| I don't see how people can disagree with this decision. Watch it back on Sky and you'll see that it wasn't a tackle, the only contact is Macillorum's forearm on Laffranchi's head, no attempt to make a tackle whatsoever, no "1st impact on the shoulder", not even a shoulder charge, it was just a cynical late assault on a player looking the other way.
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| I don't disagree with the red card decision at all. But the standard of the rest of the decisions last night were ridiculous. Perry should have at least had 10 in the bin.
There were decisions that were incorrectly given for both teams last night but the sheer number of times it happened is beyond belief.
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| I think McIIorum was rash and stupid, a hot head, and will IMO will get one for it. I don’t think the actual incident was quite as bad on looking at it again when I got home. What about the Perry on Lima thing in the second half; double standards or what!
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| Idiot. Blessing in disguise for Wigan this, Tommy at 9, Smith 7 Finch 6. Far more creativity in attack. We are ridicukously predictable in attack, 2 dummy runners, Sam loops round the back. If that doesn't work we turn it back inside to Lima/Mossop. Poor, poor coaching.
On another note, Darrell Goulding, hang your head in shame, absoulutely ruined by Josh Jones for 80 minutes, it was cringeworthy to watch from a so called "international"
Warrington will win the Grand Final simply because they have the best coach, Wane is vastly overrated and has merely inherited a good side that Maguire did all the groundwork for.
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| Straight red. But, as i i have not read the thread, has anyone mentioned SOL's head shot, or the cowardly head shot on Lima whilst he was on the floor?. I don't mind the red card for MM's actions, but i would like some consistancy.
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