I'm not mate, I just like the unsung heroes( i dont mean roby)to get some award every now and then.

A lot of hard work goes unnoticed and it grates me a little but it's same in all sport really.

You as a forward and I'm a stand off.

Seems strange you favour the flair and I favour the hard working forwards.

Maybe I see every week that the hard working pack make my game easier to play better.

Maybe you favour the flair players as you was hard working forward with no flair



Joke!

Well after 12 hours posted, not one Wiganer has proved you correct.

Get that chip of your shoulder

If it were to be a Wiganer getting it, I'm going for Lockers.

Roby stands out this season because of all the poor players around him!





Only joking! He has been a great player for several seasons and is playing superb this season.

I think being in Cunninghams shadow for so long as much to do with his current form. He's showing people just how good he his.

Did you think he could get to a point in the future where Roby is considered to be a better hooker than Cunningham was?

No, because Cunninghams passing game was far superior. Plus I don't like SCOOTER hookers.



That's not to say that Roby is not a good player because he is, but IMO all that running from dummy half isn't conducive to open rugby.

For me, and this is kind of touched on above, there should be 2 awards for the end of season, rather than just the one Man of Steel award.

I think Man of Steel should be given to the best/hardest forward in the league. That player that the rest vote to win based on "I blooming hate playing against him cause he runs it in hard every time and you just can't get past him" so the "hard working" players are recognised for being the best and hardest workers. Thats what Man of Steel should be about. I mean you call the award the man of steel, but then award it to a flair player who you wouldn't really describe as being made of steel.

And there should be a Dally M style award for the player that gives the biggest contribution to his teams success as in the creative spark that controls matches and changes the game. Similar to what the League express are doing with the Albert Goldthorpe medal (Have I got that right? I've not actually read the league express for a while now but they did something like that last season) So this award would be like the player of the year, because it's awarded to the player that their team just couldn't be without, and wouldn't have done as well without them.

That may still be awarded to the hardest forward for just being a massive presence and carrying his team forward all the time, so it's not just for the backs if you know what I mean?

In his own way he could be as good.

Macca had a pretty good scoot yesterday...

If man of steel means best player in the league then its Sam Tomkins end of.

It's the player who has had the most impact through out the season.

Well he hasnt done too bad so far and he is getting better every game at the moment. The skill level he has shown already this season is above anything else ive seen this year.

I feel this award should be worth more, however it does seem quite biased towards halves, but I suppose that is down to who is deciding the top 3 players at each match.

Top 10 according to the site at the moment are:

Rangi Chase (Castleford Tigers) 22
Scott Dureau (Catalans Dragons) 21
James Roby (St Helens) 20
Sam Tomkins (Wigan Warriors) 18
Ben Westwood (Warrington Wolves) 13
Glenn Morrison (Wakefield Trinity Wildcats) 13
Danny Brough (Huddersfield Giants) 12
Jonny Lomax (St Helens) 11
Brett Kearney (Bradford Bulls) 10
Scott Grix (Huddersfield Giants) 10

Similar group at the top to what everyone here is feeling (although I'd suggest so far Roby should be a couple of notches higher), and a few different choices, including some grafters, lagging a bit behind.

Your talking out of your backside.



Another one talking out of his backside.

Two entirely different positions. Shouldn't be compared.

Yes but Houghton completely overplayed Roby in all facets of hooker play today.

I'll name 8 players that are worthy of being ahead of Sam Tomkins for Man Of Steel so far this year based on form, its not in any order of ratings.

1. James Roby
2. Scott Dureau
3. Michael Monaghan
4. David Solomona (Had little Sam in his back pocket)
5. James Graham
6. Rangi Chase
7. Jonny Lomax
8. Kirk Yeaman (form player in SL at present and leading try scorer)

Have you watched ALL Wigan's matches this season?

Rangi Chase is the best player in the competition, in my humble opinion..

Must have been watching another game to me!

Sorry i havn't, their is way to much wrestling on sky as it is.

Probably, as I was neutral.

Well you haven't seen him rip teams apart with ease then to take us to joint top with a game in hand.