Your comments about Hoffman are similar to those you will hear said about O'Donnell at the Giants. World class back rowers who get through a mountain of work. If I can get my claret and gold goggles off tonight it will be a pleasure to watch Hoffman play.

As just a winger then yes Dallas and Carney are both quality but Pat offers his kicking and has much better defence than Dallas or Carney. He can also play full-back much better than either of those two could and he is alot stronger and scores a lot of tries those two never could.

Pat was awesome last season and nobody was more consistant so he deserved MOS, if it was on ability alone then Lockers or Sam would have taken it.

that's why!!

As I said before IMO Barrett was class in NRL and had the skills but some days you didnl;t even notice he was on the pitch. I honestly think he chose when he wanted to play and unfortunately for us he didn't have enough want and passion to play for Wigan.

Faz was Wigan through and through AND had the talent.

Best/Greatest/Legend to EVER play for Wigan in ascending order....

1.Ellery Hanley
2.Ellery Hanley
3.Ellery Hanley
4.Ellery Hanley
5.Ellery Hanley
6.Ellery Hanley
7.Ellery Hanley
8.Ellery Hanley
9.Ellery Hanley
10.Ellery Hanley

NOBODY even comes close to the greatest EVER rugby player to walk this planet!!

Lockers should have got MOS in my opinion. Carney scored many a try that Richards couldn't have scored. Leeds in the playoffs? Nothing wrong with Dallas' defence at all. I also don't really like Pat at fullback. Defensively good but offers nothing in attack that a modern fullback, Tomkins, Roberts, Phelps, Greenshields, Slater, Minichello...., should offer.

it sounds like I don't rate him but I really do think he's a good winger but apart from his goal kicking I don't think we're missing him that much. I mentioned this when a thread was started by Hogan regarding a new contract for him. I'd love him to stay but I get the impression that some on here would pay him the earth to sign on again.

you missed out Ronnie Braithwaite.

I understand your point, some see him as a special player, some see him as a very very good winger.

I think we missed his defence in the WCC he is never out of position, he is never lazy with his line speed which many wingers are guilty of.

Not in the same league as Boston or Murphy.

Rogusey was you going through your wacky baccy stage during the 80`s and early 90`s?

My biggest rugby related disappointment. The fact that I never got see Boston play.

I disagree as well... infact your comment puts into question anything you say as its so ridiculous.

They didn't score a try on his wing.

I think Pat would have been chosen to deal with Morris. I said this the day before the game when I claimed Morris was their biggest threat.

I think the one aspect other than goal kicking that were missing from Richards, is his ability in the air. We kicked time and time again to the wings against FC, yet came away with nothing. With Richards on the wing that more than likely wouldn't have been the case.

Are you saying that I'm ridiculous or fear the vee?

Agreed.

BTW - The Hoff was immesnse again tonight.

I'll have a pint of what this lad has been on.

There's been loads better than Hanley played for Wigan. Boston,McTigue, Bill Ashurst, Andy Gregory,Sean Edwards,Brett Kenny, oh and we would have had Wally Lewis if it hadn't been for Hanley.

I think you're concentrating waaaaay too much on the attacking side of FB here tbh Pemps. Just consider Pat under the high ball as compared with Sam or Roberts. Compare the yards forward when running the ball out between the three (and not just the odd eye-catching break). Look at the comparison when it comes to one on one tackling. Who would you prefer to count on if the opposition team make a break...Pat, Sam or Amos? Frankly Pat is by far the better in all these disciplines. So he doesn't make the occassional eye-catching break that the other two do. I'll happily live with that. Let's put it this way; there's never been an instance where pat has been named at Fullback where I thought "Oh no...the opposition will be able to exploit his weaknes" because, quite simply, he doesn't have one! Add to that he is still sooooooooo far in front of the other 2 when it comes to kicking and I think you're showing a very blinkered (and if I may say so) naive view here. Sure Sam has the most potential and is more dangerous in broken field and for those reasons is the right incumbant, but to belittle Pat's abilities there shows little insight in my opinion.

Hoffman looks like he could be a rock in the Wigan pack . I 'll look forward to him linking up with Gaz Hock in that second row.

true class act, not just in defence, always backing up and will probably bag a dozen tries this year

I never saw Boston, McTigue, Ashurst so can't comment on that.


Hanley is head and shoulders the best player I've seen at Wigan.

Didn't he play in every position at some point in his time at Wigan? (or did I dream that)? The most complete player this country has produced in the last forty years IMO.

I saw Gregory, Kenny and Edwards and thought all were world class players. Hanley was a level above them, best player I've seen in a Wigan shirt.

I'd agree with that.

The Hoff was great at Hudds, infact the team seemed to want that win this week , the same desire last game would have dispatched Hull far easier.
Hanley was the most complete player to cope with RL I have seen. Pace, power, balence and I can't remember seeing him drop off a tackle! RL is a team sport and I think other players have had more rugby skills to their games, he would always make any great starting line up, a true legend. Many Wigan players can stake the claim has best for many reasons.