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| Quote ="Thelonius"Having just watched the replay, and something I didn't notice when watching it earlier, Howells last run with the ball ended with a tackle involving Tompkins where Howell at one point upside down and on his head (his own not Tompkins). From the subsequent wide angle shot it seemed that Howell was holding himself when he got up as if he had bean hurt in the tackle.
Not making excuses for Howell, in fact far from it (I think he shouldn't play again until August at the earliest), but any niggle in the previous tackle may explain his disgraceful 'attack' on Tompkins.
I also thought Sam Tompkins was lucky to avoid at least a talking to for dropping his elbow into Howells head whilst Howell was on the ground.'"
why wasnt his brother sent of for droping on howel with the knee ? he shud have been binned at least retaliation cannot be condoned either in the game
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| dropping on howell he was stud over him an when every 1 piled in he fell on him ,,, have you read the quins post 1 of them said he was trying to dis lodge the ball more like his HEAD i was sat bang in front of were it happend an he was defo going for his head
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| Quote ="John o Gaunt"Newton & COKE HEAD Hock both spring to mind here.'"
People in glass houses!!!!!
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| Disgusting shot from Howell.
No attempt to make a fair challenge.
If he had broken Sam's jaw, I imagine Howell would be looking close to ten weeks for that.
As it is, he'll probably get closer to three; which is a ridiculous way to decide on suspensions.
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| Quote ="jonh"To be fair his attitude as a headline brabber ensured Howell walked, but the same attitude also ensured he very pettily in my opinion walked Tomkins.'" i was talking to sam after the game, and asked him what he had said to ganson to merit a yellow. classic answer from sam. he showed me a yellow because i told him,did ya hear, saints have been beat.
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| Quote ="zorro"why wasnt his brother sent of for droping on howel with the knee ? he shud have been binned at least retaliation cannot be condoned either in the game'"
Joel should have knocked him into next week
Why didnt howell not do it to feka or lockers. i think we know the reason
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| Quote ="travellerm5"i was talking to sam after the game, and asked him what he had said to ganson to merit a yellow. classic answer from sam. he showed me a yellow because i told him,did ya hear, saints have been beat.'"
Maybe he was winding you up? he told me it was because of the thumbs up gesture..
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| The attack on Sam's head was diabolical, and intent was there.
The problem is that Sam will have much more of this in the game, unless the match officials get a grip. The ozzies in particular, will try to rough him up.
It doesn't help him, with the fact young Sam still looks like a school boy.
Mind you, Kris Radlinski looked anything other than a rugby player when he first appeared on the wing at Central park many years ago. But in his later years looked like a muscled- up beast !
Still, it was good to see his brother(Joel) was ready to help him out.
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| It was a shocking hit, but 10 matches?
Have a word with yourselves.
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| Phil Bailey made me laugh trying to defend Joel because its his little brother
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| O'Loughlin true to form coming in pushing those already on the floor too, very big of you Sean
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| Quote ="Dave Lister"O'Loughlin true to form coming in pushing those already on the floor too, very big of you Sean
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Well he's not going to start pushing Chad Randell or Danny Orr, as they didnt forearm smash Sam.
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| Quote ="Dave Lister"O'Loughlin true to form coming in pushing those already on the floor too, very big of you Sean
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True to Form, Your having a go at O'Loughlin via the Keyboard Warrior Approach!
Very big of you Dave!
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| I wonder if everyone would be throwing their toys out of the pram if Howell had actually tried to take Fekas head off instead wonder boy Tomkins, still bad what he did but some are going over the top as no real contact/damage was done
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| Quote ="Baked Bean Boogie"I wonder if everyone would be throwing their toys out of the pram if Howell had actually tried to take Fekas head off instead wonder boy Tomkins, still bad what he did but some are going over the top as no real contact/damage was done'"
I think you have just answerd you own question. People are up in arms for the cowardly nature of attacking a yongster. IMO he would need some big Kahunas to try it on one of the big lads becasue we all know what would have happened after it.
Personaly i agree it was a bad one, however i do think that this has been over hyped. if Sam had of suffered an injury because of it then fair enough, but he never, he was back on his feet almost straight after. Like it or not these things will happen in a game that is as aggresive as ours.
Sams a tough lad and he has been targeted plenty before and always will be. it is in the contract if you are a flair type player.
So i agree with you
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| Shame he didnt make contact on the little Gyppo
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| Quote ="Baked Bean Boogie"I wonder if everyone would be throwing their toys out of the pram if Howell had actually tried to take Fekas head off instead wonder boy Tomkins, still bad what he did but some are going over the top as no real contact/damage was done'"
My issue is the intent, and i would be outraged to see it done to any player of any club, it was a cowardly calculated head attack with the elbow.
He does not have to have badly injured Tomkins if the intent to do so was there which i feel it was.
10 games i doubt, but he needs 4 or 5 minimum, the game is tough enough without deliberate head attacks like that.
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| Quote ="jonh"My issue is the intent, and i would be outraged to see it done to any player of any club, it was a cowardly calculated head attack with the elbow.
He does not have to have badly injured Tomkins if the intent to do so was there which i feel it was.
10 games i doubt, but he needs 4 or 5 minimum, the game is tough enough without deliberate head attacks like that.'"
I totally agree with you on something
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| Quote ="Dave Lister"It was a shocking hit, but 10 matches?
Have a word with yourselves.'"
Newton got 10 months!!!! The RFL set the precedent. I didn't agree with it and thought it too extreme but if that's the going rate then fair enough. Luckily things like this are very rare and Sam didn't get a serious injury. The only incidents I can recall similar are Newton's and Cassidy's. Absolutely disgusting
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| Disgraceful tackle 6 games at the very least as hadn't Ganson already blown up for a for a forward pass yet Howell proceeded to try and smash Sam in the jaw? No room for it in our game.
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| Quote ="MattyB"Did anyone notice that Ganson did not signal a penalty initially? nor did the touch judges flags raise. Only when the Wigan players moved in for retaliation did Ganson blow, chat to the touchjudges then send him off.
I'm certain Ganson would have waved play on..!'"
To be fair to the referreeing team, Ganson didn't see the "tackle" at all, nor did the touch-judge see it clearly.
The play was stopped, and whilst Ganson was sorting out the ensuing fracas, Ian Smith (video ref) pointed out that there had been "something in the challenge".
He then reviewed it on the video and fed back that there had indeed been a deliberate elbow thrown at Sam's head.
A good bit of intervention from the video ref, and a good job by Ganson to both listen and more importantly, to take appropriate action and trust that his colleague was correct.
He could have just put it on report, but fair play to him for having the stones to send a man off for something that he himself hadn't seen.
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| howell could have tackled him fairly one on one.....instead he chose to hit him with his elbow.
it wasnt a spur of moment thing like you see when somebody puts a swinging arm across a player who side steps them.
tomkins was running at him, and he had plaenty of time to decide how he was going to stop him, so imo it was premeditated and deserves the wrath of the RFL coming down hard on him as a deterrent to other, like they did with newton.
10 games at least for me, but they'll probably take the easy option of "sending off sufficient"
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| Quote ="Pie Eyed"To be fair to the referreeing team, Ganson didn't see the "tackle" at all, nor did the touch-judge see it clearly.
The play was stopped, and whilst Ganson was sorting out the ensuing fracas, Ian Smith (video ref) pointed out that there had been "something in the challenge".
He then reviewed it on the video and fed back that there had indeed been a deliberate elbow thrown at Sam's head.
A good bit of intervention from the video ref, and a good job by Ganson to both listen and more importantly, to take appropriate action and trust that his colleague was correct.
He could have just put it on report, but fair play to him for having the stones to send a man off for something that he himself hadn't seen.'"
Aye, one thing you could never say against Ganson is he cops out of the big decisions. Fair enough in my opinion. Obviously there's a bit of 'rough wth the smooth' in this approach but at least you know where you are with him!
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| Quote ="Baked Bean Boogie"I wonder if everyone would be throwing their toys out of the pram if Howell had actually tried to take Fekas head off instead wonder boy Tomkins, still bad what he did but some are going over the top as no real contact/damage was done'"
Thats the point, cowards dun do it to the big fella's. lots of people cut me up in their cars, or will be keyboard warriors, but would not dare do it to my face. Cowardly, no other word for it. Hope they take a strong view on it.
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| Quote ="Baked Bean Boogie"I wonder if everyone would be throwing their toys out of the pram if Howell had actually tried to take Fekas head off instead wonder boy Tomkins, still bad what he did but some are going over the top as no real contact/damage was done'"
and I bet Mr Howell wouldnt throw an elbow at any of the Wigan pack, least of all Feka.
Cowardly attack.
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