You must have done the Wigan walk.

TBH I think everyones going a bit OTT with the sack Noble thing and just how bad things are at the club.

The Wakefield game was absoloutly dire - no excuses for that performance at all.

The Hull game I didnt go to but from what I hear it werent a bad performance and we tired badly due to injuries which lost us the game.

The Castleford game I thought was below average but I didnt think we were that bad. Tim Smith costed us the game 4 out of the 5 tries with absoloutly shocking defence. As a professional rugby player hes got to put his hand up and sort his defence out as well as that the coach has to make sure he is hidden in the defensive line as well as the players around him. There is alot of teams with poor defenders worst than Tim Smith so this can be resolved so I am not worried about this.

The other 16 players I thought were not woeful. Theres a good few of them ie Fielden and Coley I would expect a bit ok ALOT more from but otherwise I thought we played some really good rugby and moved the ball a bit which gave us some good options. Obviously theres alot more to be done but I was quite pleased with the style in which we played and that there was room for improvement.

Also had we had Paaat on the pitch he would have probably won us the game with boot and there wouldnt have been as much moaning going on from the fans.

Ok weve lost at home against 2 of the 4 worst teams in the league but it is a competitive league and it CAN happen to the best of teams. Cas and Wakey will turn other decent sides over this season - Fact.

As much as Noble annoys me with his "the seasons won in October" rubbish he does have a bit of a point and he has got form for getting his teams ready for the business end. I dont agree with it but I dont think we have a squad good enough to compete at the top of its game from Feb to Oct.

Yeh that one, personally couldnt give a rats ass about Coley i think hes a lazy son of a gun and i wish we had listened to the Salford lot who warned us about it.

Never Never EVER left a match before the final whistle!

more likely he could not see straight

Leuluai is probably the strongest personality in the team, if there is a player's revolt I'd expect him to front it. It's quite clear that something 'just isn't right' at the moment. I'm not suggesting outright foulplay, but the players don't seem fully committed.

I've heard enough now, Noble has got to go sooner rather than later. Has IL got the balls/money to sack him though?

Tommy allegedly lead the 'revolt' after the Hudderdfield loss last season.

Surely must have the money. Will he spend it though

Revolt?

Are we saying tommy is a bad influence.

maybe this has something to do with lenagan releasing tommy from quins?

He's only got till the end of the season on his contract anyway so to sack him wouldn't cost us an absolute fortune.

I say that though i just don't see Lenagan as the type of man to sack somebody mid season. He made the call to give him a 12 month extension and i'd be suprised if he doesn't sick to that. I think it was obvious by only giving Noble 12moinths that Lenagan isn't overly convinced and i think only us winning something will save Noble from the shop at the end of this season.

Rumours of IL penny-pinching. It's none of my business, but you have to wonder if the recent financial downturn has affected IL in any way

Sorry, I think 'revolt' was the wrong word to use.

What I meant was he was apparently the person he spoke up the most within the camp after the Huddersfield game.

Whether that was in a positive or negative way is something I couldn't answer.

If he's lost the dressing room then he has to go. Simple as that. On a seperate note - when people were mentioning the player revolt in the Dorahey era. Do you think the home defeat to Widnes that spelt the end for Raper was something similar? I know from a good source at the time that the players wanted him out. wigan.rlfans.com/fusion_pages/in ... age_id=640

If he's lost the dressing room then he has to go. Simple as that. On a seperate note - when people were mentioning the player revolt in the Dorahey era. Do you think the home defeat to Widnes that spelt the end for Raper was something similar? I know from a good source at the time that the players wanted him out. wigan.rlfans.com/fusion_pages/in ... age_id=640

I think he took the line, it's the players who provided that cr@p it's up to the players to put it right.

I saw Fekas reaction (West is best eh Alex) and he certainly wasn't pleased, but to me that was a positive reaction in that he is getting to he fitness levels many on here have been asking for.

But thats no use if Nobles gonna bring him off.

I agree it seemed a stupid time to make it and a waste of a substitution.

Did anyone notice Warrington did exactly the same thing last night?

Quote ="Conroy"If he's lost the dressing room then he has to go. Simple as that. On a seperate note - when people were mentioning the player revolt in the Dorahey era. Do you think the home defeat to Widnes that spelt the end for Raper was something similar? I know from a good source at the time that the players wanted him out. wigan.rlfans.com/fusion_pages/in ... age_id=640'" I think that was the same day that Whelan walked across the pitch as the players were warming up and started pointing the finger at the players basically telling them that they were playing for their future. I might be wrong, but I'm sure that Raper was due to leave the club at the end of that season anyway and the club and Raper ''mutually'' agreed for him to leave. I know he was fuming after the Whelan incedent and I was lead to believe that it was his decision more than anything.

Quote ="Conroy"If he's lost the dressing room then he has to go. Simple as that. On a seperate note - when people were mentioning the player revolt in the Dorahey era. Do you think the home defeat to Widnes that spelt the end for Raper was something similar? I know from a good source at the time that the players wanted him out. wigan.rlfans.com/fusion_pages/in ... age_id=640'" I think that was the same day that Whelan walked across the pitch as the players were warming up and started pointing the finger at the players basically telling them that they were playing for their future. I might be wrong, but I'm sure that Raper was due to leave the club at the end of that season anyway and the club and Raper ''mutually'' agreed for him to leave. I know he was fuming after the Whelan incedent and I was lead to believe that it was his decision more than anything.

I think it was mate yeah.

Whelan walked onto the pitch once prior to a Wakefield fixture.

Just found this: www.independent.co.uk/sport/gene ... 88823.html Quote The same could be said of events at Wigan last week. The writing was on the wall for Stuart Raper as soon as the club's owner, Dave Whelan, came on to the field to deliver the pre-match talk for him and, sure enough, Raper announced that he was leaving at the end of the season. Defeat by Widnes, however, was enough to change that timescale, and Raper was told that he was leaving with immediate effect. That gives an opportunity to his No 2, Mike Gregory, who has been put in charge, along with Denis Betts, until the end of the season - or until someone changes their mind. '"

Just found this: www.independent.co.uk/sport/gene ... 88823.html Quote The same could be said of events at Wigan last week. The writing was on the wall for Stuart Raper as soon as the club's owner, Dave Whelan, came on to the field to deliver the pre-match talk for him and, sure enough, Raper announced that he was leaving at the end of the season. Defeat by Widnes, however, was enough to change that timescale, and Raper was told that he was leaving with immediate effect. That gives an opportunity to his No 2, Mike Gregory, who has been put in charge, along with Denis Betts, until the end of the season - or until someone changes their mind. '"

I doubt he will walk on the pitch prior to a Warriors game in the near future or ever.

If he had the balls to do it could you imagine the reception he would receive.
There would be a full house if we got prior warning

The fruit sellers outside the ground would make a mint that day.

Who signed most of this bunch of wasters?

Raper was right to walk after Whelan did that, he had absolutely no business doing it.

Maybe because the fat knacker has never managed more than 20 mins in a spell in the past 3 years before having to come off, so why should one Friday night in February 2009 be any different?

Instead of ranting, maybe he should aspire to get to the level that Jamie Peacock manages (ie quite often a full 80 mins on the pitch). Even if he manages 70% of a game it would take the burden away from the others a bit.