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| Quote ="Aboveusonlypie"And?
Do I have a point or am I missing something? Because to my eyes the half backs are not working as a pair. Last night all the expectations on George got to him and he was poor. Last season Matthy organised and kicked and George did the rest. This year George has it all to do, and IMO he is struggling because it is unfair to expect one man to do everything.'"
Do you not remember our god-awful attack last year? We lost IMO because we were trying to go around a team that was mullering us down the middle. We needed forwards to run with purpose, win the collision, get a quick ptb with defenders drawn in, then the halves have some space and momentum to work with. I fail to see how Matty Smith would have rectified that. The pack was to blame, and I'm not sure Bateman and Lockers would have fixed it either, they are hardly heavyweights.
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| Quote ="Aboveusonlypie"And?
Do I have a point or am I missing something? Because to my eyes the half backs are not working as a pair. Last night all the expectations on George got to him and he was poor. Last season Matthy organised and kicked and George did the rest. This year George has it all to do, and IMO he is struggling because it is unfair to expect one man to do everything.'"
I think what you are missing is that last season Williams was often closed down because the opposition ignored Smith as an attacking threat. Williams had to to do it all[i last[/i season because with ball in hand Smith offered very little.
The issue in recent weeks has not been the half backs or injuries to the backs but that Flower, Clubb and FPN are not worth their pay packets.
Would the return of Lockers, MM and Batemen make a difference? Absolutely because all three are tough uncompromising players which just shows up the three mentioned above as needing to pull their weight more than they are doing.
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| What about the players Cas had missing ?
They had their captain and international centre Shenton out.
They were missing there best prop forwards in Millington and Lynch and also still have Larne Patrick on the injury table.
There is not only Wigan with players missing
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| In a couple of sets for about 10/25 mins mid 2nd half Wigan kept Cas pinned in their own 30 - Gale etc. Kick and find our Wingers and fullback on the full and not a word said.
Same thing happens to Wigan and Tommy Kicks and he's the worst kicker in the world!
It's hardly amazing that the team who's forwards etc. make most yards and kick from a better territory position oftern seem to Kick better! I wonder why???
Let me give my 2penneth
Any kicker kicking from inside their own 30 with 2 wingers dropped back and a full back covering 60 mtrs of space will hardly ever find space.
The only real poor kick last night was when Powell kicked from Dummy half round about the half way line with about 15 to go.
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Probably shouldn't have played against both Hull and Leeds but "Put his hand up". Not usre whether he did last night or whether he was fully fit but & I'm not a Matty Smith Hater
Tommy is a couple of steps up the ladder on Smith any day of the week!
Been really happy with our effort etc. and how the young lads have played these last 5/6 games.
Davies is going to be a real star for me
Forsyth had his best game for me last night and played really Hard - ran it in Hard and Tackled hard.
We've got to get to the End of May in a decent position WRT a Top 4 spot - 3/4 wins out the next 6/7 should do that
If we get a fair amount Back (Budgie/Gelling/Lockers/Mickey/Tierney?/) then we should do that - With Sam/Gildart/Bateman etc. potentially coming back then I'm more than confident we will be in the shake up
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| Quote ="IanTigerman"What about the players Cas had missing ?
They had their captain and international centre Shenton out.
They were missing there best prop forwards in Millington and Lynch and also still have Larne Patrick on the injury table.
There is not only Wigan with players missing'"
Yeah it's exactly the same
I was with you until Larne Patrick!
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| Quote ="IanTigerman"What about the players Cas had missing ?
They had their captain and international centre Shenton out.
They were missing there best prop forwards in Millington and Lynch and also still have Larne Patrick on the injury table.
There is not only Wigan with players missing'"
Quite correct. Three first teamers and a squad member missing. Wish we could say the same!
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| Quote ="DaveO"I think what you are missing is that last season Williams was often closed down because the opposition ignored Smith as an attacking threat. Williams had to to do it all[i last[/i season because with ball in hand Smith offered very little.
The issue in recent weeks has not been the half backs or injuries to the backs but that Flower, Clubb and FPN are not worth their pay packets.
Would the return of Lockers, MM and Batemen make a difference? Absolutely because all three are tough uncompromising players which just shows up the three mentioned above as needing to pull their weight more than they are doing.'"
I'm with you on most of your post. But I'm afraid Smith offered no more or less than Tommy has so far. However kicking is by far the most important asset of any half back. Wigan, right now, have two half backs who are poor at kicking, long, short, whatever.
I'm not saying Smith was a great kicker by the way, he is some distance behind Gale, Brough, Sneyd, Carney, Dobson or Walsh for example. But I'm afraid that our half backs are nowhere near good enough at present in a skill that will be required to win the CC and GF I believe. If this is not addressed I think it will cost us.
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| Quote ="Orrell Lad"Cas were good for the win and deserve their time in the sun. 9 top players out is just too much to compete if things don't go your way.
Thought there was a dubious penalty prior to their first try, need to watch it back though. Their third try we basically showed them the line. The last was an unfortunate intercept. 18 points on a plate.
I'm not too worried, we all know the drill. Come October we'll be walking out at Old Trafford and they'll be polishing their father's guns and grumbling about Wigurn scum
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I realy enjoyed the ditty about "a small town in widnes", they were certainly in good spirit. The banjo re - stringer would have been on overtime today.
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| Interesting to hear all the praise for the young lads coming into the team. Rightly so as well.
Shame none of the Wigan fans hung about to clap them off the field.
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| Quote ="stpatricks"I realy enjoyed the ditty about "a small town in widnes", they were certainly in good spirit. The banjo re - stringer would have been on overtime today.'"
Ahhh so that's what they were singing I thought it was "we're just a small town in Wakefield"
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| Quote ="DAVE@CAS1990"Interesting to hear all the praise for the young lads coming into the team. Rightly so as well.
Shame none of the Wigan fans hung about to clap them off the field.
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Correct. With 15 minutes to go I remarked to my mate that this place will be empty soon. Of course most Wigan fans are spoilt by success, not something you are too familiar with
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| Quote ="Chris_H"Ahhh so that's what they were singing I thought it was "we're just a small town in Wakefield"
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It was
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| You lost the game in the forwards !!!!
Apart from Bateman who else comes into the pack for you ?
Please don't say O'lochlain as he never plays anyway.
Your wingers had good games and was certainty NOT there fault.
Tautia played well but the rest of the forwards were shocking.
Flower and "Wrecking Paul" may as well been sat with me
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| Just thought Cas were relentlessly fast around the ruck. Wigan's forwards, if not beaten, looked a bit flat-footed and seemed unable to match the metres that Cas's speed gained for them. Consequently Wigan's halves lacked an attacking platform, plus their side was an uncomfortable distance behind on the board for much of the game, with all the consequences that that usually entails. Don't think there was too much wrong that getting a few players back won't put right. Equally, I think Cas will continue to be a handful until such time as they lose a few more players.
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| Quote ="IanTigerman"You lost the game in the forwards !!!!
Apart from Bateman who else comes into the pack for you ?
Please don't say O'lochlain as he never plays anyway.
Your wingers had good games and was certainty NOT there fault.
Tautia played well but the rest of the forwards were shocking.
Flower and "Wrecking Paul" may as well been sat with me'"
Sorry, who is O'lochlain? If you mean O'Loughlin, you might have recognised him as the bloke holding the Grand Final and WCC trophies- proof that he does indeed still play.
To be serious I'm not amongst those on here who think Cas will fade. With Millington and Lynch to add to that pack I think Cas are justifiably second in the bookies odds for GF success- just behind Wigan in fact.
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| Quote ="cadoo".......
Isa can do a job and I can't fault effort. Forsyth has been thrown into the deep end and is giving his best. Gelling/Gildart make a difference. Sam Tomkins (despite his recent critics) [size=150=#FF0000Sam Burgess[/size, John Bateman and Sean O'Loughlin all make a difference IMO.
Take nothing from Cas. No excuses. We move on.'"
When did we sign him? I must have missed that
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| Quote ="Aboveusonlypie"Sorry, who is O'lochlain? If you mean O'Loughlin, you might have recognised him as the bloke holding the Grand Final and WCC trophies- proof that he does indeed still play.
To be serious I'm not amongst those on here who think Cas will fade. With Millington and Lynch to add to that pack I think Cas are justifiably second in the bookies odds for GF success- just behind Wigan in fact.'"
We are now favourites for the grand final. According to WH anyway. That said, on Monday you were favourites to beat us last night with WH.
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| Quote ="Towns88"We are now favourites for the grand final. According to WH anyway. That said, on Monday you were favourites to beat us last night with WH.'"
Sorry to be pedantic but you were 8/13 favourites with most bookies last night though you could have got better odds earlier in the week when the bookies hadn't realised how many players Wigan were missing.
You will note that the bookies are still rating Wigan as favourites or joint favourites at 15/8 for the GF. Third favourites Hull are a long way back on 5/1. Leeds come next on 8/1. No value in backing Cas. Especially with over three quarters of the season to go. Your season is mirroring Shaun Wanes first year in charge 2012 when Wigan stormed to the LLS only to be beaten in the playoffs by Leeds who won the GF from fifth. Are you confident that Cas can maintain the early season form? You do seem overly reliant on Gale to me.
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| To be honest I thought Cas didn't get out of 2nd gear and as soon as we went behind it was game over.
Clubb, Flower and FPN need to get their fingers out, they're passengers at the moment, losing to the worst St Helens team I've ever seen next week doesn't bear thinking about.
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| Quote ="Aboveusonlypie"Sorry to be pedantic but you were 8/13 favourites with most bookies last night though you could have got better odds earlier in the week when the bookies hadn't realised how many players Wigan were missing.
You will note that the bookies are still rating Wigan as favourites or joint favourites at 15/8 for the GF. Third favourites Hull are a long way back on 5/1. Leeds come next on 8/1. No value in backing Cas. Especially with over three quarters of the season to go. Your season is mirroring Shaun Wanes first year in charge 2012 when Wigan stormed to the LLS only to be beaten in the playoffs by Leeds who won the GF from fifth. Are you confident that Cas can maintain the early season form? You do seem overly reliant on Gale to me.'"
Largely unknown territory for us to be honest. Can we maintain it? I think we might be able to, but does depend on a lot of factors. Can we manage our squad well enough? Yes, I think DP can. Can we handle the pressure of being talked about in the media, being amongst the favourites with the bookies, and playing the type of rugby that wins you the big games and grinding out a win in a wrestle? That I can't answer. Big games and finals take a different mentality and experience counts a lot. Having said that, you can only get the experience by being there, win or lose. I think we are a good enough team/squad to be able to do something special. The question for us is, are we mentally strong enough to stay in the fight at the business end with all the pressure that comes with it. For us to consistently be challenging top 4 the answer to that needs to be a definite yes. Will it be this year? Only time will tell. One thing is for 100% sure - we will have a damn good crack at it, and we have a coach who has a great chance of getting that mentality into the players. See you all again in a few weeks at our place
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| Quote ="Aboveusonlypie"Correct. With 15 minutes to go I remarked to my mate that this place will be empty soon. Of course most Wigan fans are spoilt by success, not something you are too familiar with
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the famous Wigan Walk
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| Quote ="suffolk rhinos"the famous Wigan Walk
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| Quote ="Aboveusonlypie"Indeed. There is a bloke who sits in front of me who leaves with five minutes to go come what may. The scores can be level but he still gets up and off he goes. It cheers me up no end when we score in the last minute and he is getting held up trying to get out of the ground with all the like minded walkers! You've got to laugh.'"
Going early is odd.... But, we probably have more that leave early, that actually bother to turn up for a cas home game..
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| That's him O'lochlain.
Plays when he wants that lad,yes of course Wigan are GF favourites and rightly so.
But can't you see that the way a lot of Wigan fans talk is why other clubs dont like them,yes you are a massive club that is a given but every time it's not going right for you it's either injuries (no other clubs must get them) or the refs fault (they all hate Wigan)
And the famous Wigan walk last night was amazing
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| Can Castleford win the title ?
Well of course they can but being competative throughout the season is the first task,they showed they could last season as well with a injury table worse than Wigan.
Our season/Club can be measured on various things rather than just winning the grand final.
About 3 years ago we were 24 hours from going into administration, We are a small town compared to the rest of super league so what we have achieved over the years is good.
Over the last few years our fan base has increased bringing in more revenue and therefore a bigger squad with better players,the club is now on a firm footing and is now self funding which it hasn't been for many years.
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