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| Quote ="FearTheVee"I hope you go with Wane or Edwards.'"
That's the way it should be for me.
Wane has earned his chance to step up IMO.
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| Quote ="Guerrier"That's the way it should be for me.
Wane has earned his chance to step up IMO.'"
I think I'm hoping it for very different reasons to you!
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| Quote ="FearTheVee"I think I'm hoping it for very different reasons to you!
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We've seen the insightful reasons that some of your fans have given for wanting Waney to get the gig as you think he will fail.
They range from
He's ugly, He's a Meathead, I worked with him when he was a Rep (What the hell that has to do with anything is beyond me!), he has no tactical brains (How the hell you lot would know that is staggering but I suppose he could never hope to have the Tactical intellect of Saintsfan).
Personally, I'll have a little bet that IL decides to give it to who he thinks is the Best available (Or possibly become available with a tempting offer just for DaveO ) man for the Job as I am sure he wouldn't want to undo the good work the club has done over the last 3 years or so.
If that's Waney that's good enough for me, 2 years under Madge and 4 successful years at 18/20's level is pretty good grounding in my book and if Madge/IL think he's the man that'll be good enough for me! Only time will tell if they/we are right but there's only 1 way were going to find out. Picking the right number 2 will be critical!
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| The more I think about it, the more I think it might be too soon for Waney and he needs to serve another few years as a no.2 with another NRL coach in the way Madge did before he stepped up at Wigan.
Basically I think we should move heaven and earth to get Tim Sheens in as the next coach. He's off contract at the end of the season with Wests. We need to move fast to secure a top quality replacement as I expect the Whinos and Widnes to start throwing big money about to get a top coach for 2012.
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| Quote ="Jukesays"We've seen the insightful reasons that some of your fans have given for wanting Waney to get the gig as you think he will fail.
They range from
He's ugly, He's a Meathead, I worked with him when he was a Rep (What the hell that has to do with anything is beyond me!), he has no tactical brains (How the hell you lot would know that is staggering but I suppose he could never hope to have the Tactical intellect of Saintsfan).
Personally, I'll have a little bet that IL decides to give it to who he thinks is the Best available (Or possibly become available with a tempting offer just for DaveO
) man for the Job as I am sure he wouldn't want to undo the good work the club has done over the last 3 years or so.
If that's Waney that's good enough for me, 2 years under Madge and 4 successful years at 18/20's level is pretty good grounding in my book and if Madge/IL think he's the man that'll be good enough for me! Only time will tell if they/we are right but there's only 1 way were going to find out. Picking the right number 2 will be critical!'"
You may well be right fella, but recent history suggests that getting in a promising/experienced NRL coach is the way to improve a side in SL with very very few exceptions.
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| Quote ="FearTheVee"You may well be right fella, but recent history suggests that getting in a promising/experienced NRL coach is the way to improve a side in SL with very very few exceptions.'"
The point I was making is that there are a number of Saints fans "Hoping" Waney will get for absolutely ridiculous reasons when they have no idea whether he would or would not make a Good 1st team coach.
I haven't much more inside info on his abilities than anyone else but I wouldn't be coming on here spouting that he'll be the next Wayne Bennett either just to make it look like I know something I don't.The honest answer is no-one will know until the person chosen is given 12/24 months in the job.
I'm just saying it's quite simple, if Madge/IL (And I think IL will discuss with numerous sources not just Madge as he has always taken on info with his previous appointments) think he is the right man then I think that will be a pretty good endorsement? There is certainly no incentive for either of them to make the wrong choice?
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| Quote ="FearTheVee"You may well be right fella, but recent history suggests that getting in a promising/experienced NRL coach is the way to improve a side in SL with very very few exceptions.'"
Surely you're not forgetting Leeds and Brain Mc....
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| Quote ="Guerrier"Surely you're not forgetting Leeds and Brain Mc....
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I'm finding this thread interesting given that I imagine Leeds will be competing with Wigan, and possibly Bradford, Hull and Huddersfield (Brown back to NRL) for any available top coach. I imagine the Wigan and Hudds jobs will go to Wane & Anderson in an organised succession. But there's a coach from the NRL who might be available soon & used to play for both Wigan and Leeds...& fwiw I think he might be coaching Leeds next year.
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| Quote ="craigizzard"I'm finding this thread interesting given that I imagine Leeds will be competing with Wigan, and possibly Bradford, Hull and Huddersfield (Brown back to NRL) for any available top coach. I imagine the Wigan and Hudds jobs will go to Wane & Anderson in an organised succession. But there's a coach from the NRL who might be available soon & used to play for both Wigan and Leeds...& fwiw I think he might be coaching Leeds next year.'"
Furner?
Helps to avoid the sack, when your boss is your dad.
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| Quote ="Wigan/Leeds Andy"Furner?
Helps to avoid the sack, when your boss is your dad.'"
It does indeed.
But if Canberra's form continues, then his dad might have no option. But he has been a promising coach over the last few seasons, and if he gets into the position where he is "moved" he'll need to rebuild his reputation, just like Nathan Brown did. I don't think there'll be too many who wouldn't take Furner over McDermott, Agar and possibly Wane. He can even bring his dad along if he likes.
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| According to todays Daily Mirror, Lenagan has stated that a decision about who will coach Wigan from 2012 will hopefully be made in the next 6 to 8 weeks.
Does this period of time suggest applications are being invited & interviews may be taking place?
Surely if Wane was to succeed Madge it shouldn't need that length of time to appoint him.
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| Leona Price tweeted today,
Quote daniel anderson to wigan! massive toss up!'"
If he does come over i think he will end up at Leeds.
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| Quote ="WarriorSteve"IMO its simple. If Wane thinks he is ready to take the job, then IMO give it him. He has won championships with all the teams he has coached either as head coach or assistant. If he feels he is not ready and would like more time as an assistant then IMO we should look at someone who is happy to carry on in the same manor that MM has started. The last thing we need is a Brian MAC type situation that is happening at Leeds.'"
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| Quote ="Bergen Bulldog"According to todays Daily Mirror, Lenagan has stated that a decision about who will coach Wigan from 2012 will hopefully be made in the next 6 to 8 weeks.
Does this period of time suggest applications are being invited & interviews may be taking place?
Surely if Wane was to succeed Madge it shouldn't need that length of time to appoint him.'"
Why rush it?
Whilst myself and many others want Wane 2 get the job it would be majorly foolish for IL not to open the role up to see who goes for it.
Who knows who could apply.
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| I hope if IL is to give the top job to Wane he tells him if things dont work out he can go back to being wigans assistant.The one thing that concerns me is that if things dont work out..we simply sack him and he leaves the club.
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| Quote ="Bergen Bulldog"According to todays Daily Mirror, Lenagan has stated that a decision about who will coach Wigan from 2012 will hopefully be made in the next 6 to 8 weeks.'"
Is it Shaun Edwards - 6 to 8 weeks - when the kick and clap season ends ?
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| this sounds silly at the very least, but does Wane himself think he is ready? he may not actually want the first team role yet!
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| Quote ="the mighty wigan town!!!"this sounds silly at the very least, but does Wane himself think he is ready? he may not actually want the first team role yet!'"
Not silly at all. This has to be in the mix also. He may feel he needs more time as number 2 . It certainly isnt nailed on that Wane will be our next head coach.
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| David Fairleigh has been mentioned on the Saints board? He's been coaching at Newcastle pretty much since he left Saints at the end of 2003.
FWIW, I'd stay miles away from both Brian Smith and Daniel Anderson - they'll make sure you compete, but I'm afraid that whole coaching school, which includes Nobby and Potter, is too limited in its forward orientated tactics to succeed in the modern, salary capped game of RL.
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| Quote ="the mighty wigan town!!!"this sounds silly at the very least, but does Wane himself think he is ready? he may not actually want the first team role yet!'"
Not silly at all - IMO this should be the deciding factor
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| Looks like we can scratch Tim SHeen's name off the list of candidates.
[urlhttp://www.dailystar.co.uk/rugby/view/186872/Tim-Sheens-staying-put/[/url
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| Quote ="ksm1701"Looks like we can scratch Tim SHeen's name off the list of candidates.
[urlhttp://www.dailystar.co.uk/rugby/view/186872/Tim-Sheens-staying-put/[/url'"
Wow, staggering that he wasn't up for SL. Who'd have thunk it.
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| Quote ="wigan_knight"I hope if IL is to give the top job to Wane he tells him if things dont work out he can go back to being wigans assistant.The one thing that concerns me is that if things dont work out..we simply sack him and he leaves the club.'"
But what would then happen to whoever was the assistant to Wane? - would they also drop down a level?
As much as i would like Wane to be given the job im also cautious that it could be too soon for him and that part of the reason why IL is disapointed that Maguire is leaving is because of this.
The good thing for Wane is that Maguire himself as nominated him to takeover at the club following his departure to Souths.
3 years under Maguire would of been better that 2 though.
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| IL himself said that Shaun Wane was one of the favourites for the job, but let's be honest - he's not going to say anything else. Imagine the outcome for the rest of this season if Wane knew that he was going to be passed over.
I still expect that Wane will be one of the front-runners, but I honestly believe the ultimate decision will depend on who applies.
I can't think of a single other British-based coach who I'd want. I'd be wary of Nathan Brown as his outbursts to the press are frankly embarrassing. I much prefer the 'we do our talking on the pitch' approach that Madge takes. Tony Smith would probably be good, but he's clearly well settled at Warrington so there's no point even thinking about him.
That only leaves the Aussies, and then the 'wild card' factor - Shaun Edwards. I'd love to see Edwards back at Wigan, but I don't think he could step straight into the top job without serving at least a short apprenticeship, and for some reason, while he might have been willing to work under Michael Maguire, I can't imagine him agreeing to work under Shaun Wane. Not only that, would Wane want someone like Edwards - clearly the king-in-waiting - as his number two?
Perhaps a more realistic option would be to appoint a seasoned Aussie coach, and advise Wane that he has to serve another two years as assistant - by which time IL will know for sure whether or not he can handle the top job.
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| Isnt Noble free?
DONT HIT ME! haha
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