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| Quote ="DaveO"Me either. Never have. The thread singing his praises after the HKR looks very premature now. Tonight was far more typical. He really is garbage.
Wane is daft enough to pick him IMO thinking maybe because it's Hull he'd be all fired up. IMO that is the way Wane thinks, passion before cold hard logic. So a ban would relieve of him that decision.
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the thread after the KR game was perfectly justified given the performance he put in on the day, as he convincingly outplayed the 3 other props.
you are now over-reacting in a manner which you enjoy berating others for.
most people have acknowledged that last season he out performed peoples expectations of him. this season - he has not played much, but has certainly not been the worst player on the field. he was silly on friday (not sure how much as impact his head injury at the end of the 1st half had on it).
he will suffer the consequences, which will probably be a missed opportunity to play in the Final. enough said
his discipline is pretty good (certainly better than the welsh lads), but obviously that does not fit your arguments.
he hasnt played much in 2013 (5 appearances), however he has only 1 penalty against him this season, 1 error, 11 tackle busts, 95% tackle completion.
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| Well said, thank god there are few rational people out there
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| Quote ="Cherry.Pie"Mossop has been FAR better than Lauaki. He gets criticism because he's set himself high standards and people don't think he's living up to them. Even so, he's still offering a lot to the team and the work he does seems to go unnoticed. He's capable of better, but still performs well enough to make him an important part of the team.'"
Agree with this. Given what I assumed were extra minutes he had to play due to Eric's head knock I thought Mossop went ok. Mind you, I don't let the fact that he is leaving cloud my judgement of determine my opinion. IMO he is the best prop we have incl flower.
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| Quote ="ShortArse"the thread after the KR game was perfectly justified given the performance he put in on the day, as he convincingly outplayed the 3 other props.
you are now over-reacting in a manner which you enjoy berating others for.
most people have acknowledged that last season he out performed peoples expectations of him. this season - he has not played much, but has certainly not been the worst player on the field. he was silly on friday (not sure how much as impact his head injury at the end of the 1st half had on it).
he will suffer the consequences, which will probably be a missed opportunity to play in the Final. enough said
his discipline is pretty good (certainly better than the welsh lads), but obviously that does not fit your arguments.
he hasnt played much in 2013 (5 appearances), however he has only 1 penalty against him this season, 1 error, 11 tackle busts, 95% tackle completion.
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Scott Taylor - 85m from 15 carries - 19 tackles, 0 missed
Lee Mossop - 73m from 14 carries - 33 tackles, 4 missed
Hame Lauaki - 54m from 14 carries - 23 tackles, 0 missed
Dom Crosby - 26m from 8 carries - 18 tackles, 0 missed
Taylor was our best prop against Hull KR. Lauaki was ineffective in attack, but he made a big hit and put a lot of effort in for 20 minutes in defence.
If he puts that effort in with any sort of frequency Lauaki will be a good player. He doesn't though. Never did at Hull, hasn't done so far at Wigan either. He's had good games, but far too few. He's had bad games too, but mostly very average games.
He averages 66 metres per game and 15 tackles. That's not impressive. Last season it was 73 metres per game and 15 tackles. For Hull in 2011 he averaged 70 metres per game and 12 tackles per game. In other words, for the last three years he's looking fairy consistent. Nothing special as a metre maker, very little work in defence.
Last season Lauaki played 6 games where he made more than 90 metres. It's a decent effort but they were always followed by very disappointing games where he was ineffective. In short, Lauaki is capable of the occasional good game but is inconsistent and has a lot of games where he doesn't match up to his fellow props.
Ben Flower averages 90 metres per game and 22 tackles; Mossop 97 metres per game and 21 tackles; Crosby 78 metres per game and 19 tackles; Dudson 67 metres per game and 17 tackles.
He doesn't match up to any of our senior props this year and his stats are not too dissimilar to those from the previous 2 years so we can assume it's a trend.
Lauaki is 29 - our senior prop. He's not playing like one and never has. He's got good games in him for sure, but they don't come often enough compared to Mossop, Flower, Taylor and even Crosby.
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| Quote ="Cherry.Pie"Scott Taylor - 85m from 15 carries - 19 tackles, 0 missed
Lee Mossop - 73m from 14 carries - 33 tackles, 4 missed
Hame Lauaki - 54m from 14 carries - 23 tackles, 0 missed
Dom Crosby - 26m from 8 carries - 18 tackles, 0 missed
Taylor was our best prop against Hull KR. Lauaki was ineffective in attack, but he made a big hit and put a lot of effort in for 20 minutes in defence.
If he puts that effort in with any sort of frequency Lauaki will be a good player. He doesn't though. Never did at Hull, hasn't done so far at Wigan either. He's had good games, but far too few. He's had bad games too, but mostly very average games.
He averages 66 metres per game and 15 tackles. That's not impressive. Last season it was 73 metres per game and 15 tackles. For Hull in 2011 he averaged 70 metres per game and 12 tackles per game. In other words, for the last three years he's looking fairy consistent. Nothing special as a metre maker, very little work in defence.
Last season Lauaki played 6 games where he made more than 90 metres. It's a decent effort but they were always followed by very disappointing games where he was ineffective. In short, Lauaki is capable of the occasional good game but is inconsistent and has a lot of games where he doesn't match up to his fellow props.
Ben Flower averages 90 metres per game and 22 tackles; Mossop 97 metres per game and 21 tackles; Crosby 78 metres per game and 19 tackles; Dudson 67 metres per game and 17 tackles.
He doesn't match up to any of our senior props this year and his stats are not too dissimilar to those from the previous 2 years so we can assume it's a trend.
Lauaki is 29 - our senior prop. He's not playing like one and never has. He's got good games in him for sure, but they don't come often enough compared to Mossop, Flower, Taylor and even Crosby.'"
Are you sure about this ?Big Eric is destined to be allowed to participate in other actions not really knowing the outcome , I personally think he will achieve what Shaun Wane is asking and will succumb to pander to the crowd more each game .
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| Quote ="Mash Butty"So how would you play with concussion? Improved? perhaps your superman? Amazing how we judge injured players, its the same on every thread. Again I have NO love for Lauaki but in this match he was concussed and as a result made some crazy decisions'"
Less than one minute before that concussion he deliberately attempted to stamp on Scott grixs leg- luckily for Scott he missed as he happened to slightly move his leg - but considering he did it openly in front of the cameras it appears as if his decision making is just as diabolical when not concussed.
I was disgusted when Keith mason did it against you - the game is hard enough without players going out to deliberately injure or cause harm.
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| Quote ="ShortArse"the thread after the KR game was perfectly justified given the performance he put in on the day, as he convincingly outplayed the 3 other props.
you are now over-reacting in a manner which you enjoy berating others for.'"
Nonsense. I am not "berating others" merely pointing out a player who has been at best average and often poor didn't go from that to being a player who should be picked for Wembley on the basis of one game. As the Hudds game proved. In any case looking at the thread again it wasn't all universal praise.
Quote most people have acknowledged that last season he out performed peoples expectations of him. '"
Where? When?
As I said even in the thread you started there were several contrary opinions and so I think you are stretching it a bit to suggest this is the case.
Quote this season - he has not played much, but has certainly not been the worst player on the field. he was silly on friday (not sure how much as impact his head injury at the end of the 1st half had on it).
he will suffer the consequences, which will probably be a missed opportunity to play in the Final. enough said
his discipline is pretty good (certainly better than the welsh lads), but obviously that does not fit your arguments.
he hasnt played much in 2013 (5 appearances), however he has only 1 penalty against him this season, 1 error, 11 tackle busts, 95% tackle completion.'"
I have not singled out his discipline as an issue in any of the recent threads. I have confined myself to commenting on his ability as a player and IMO he is poor. He doesn't have much impact when he takes the ball in, his defence is all over the place and his "aggression" is all show with arms and legs flailing about in the tackle. Craig Smith and Quentin Pongia were props with genuine aggression and Laukai isn't remotely on the same page as them in that regard. He has an offload but that is about it.
Quote please do not let the facts get in the way of a reasoned debate and argument'"
You should try that yourself.
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| Quote ="JCWWRL"Would rather see Andy Powell on the pitch than Lauaki and tbh even Mossop from how he's played this season. At least Powell looked enthusiastic and ran with abit of aggression in his couple of appearances. Our starting props have to be Flower and Crosby for me next season with Dudson and Powell or Hopkins coming off the bench.
Does Lauaki take up a quota spot or is he classed as a south sea islands player now he's switched to Tonga??'"
Would you not put Taylor as our starting prop with Flower with Dudson or Powell on the bench Hopkins can play S/R OR L/F.
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| On current form, our starting props for the rest of this season, and indeed next season should be Flower & Taylor.
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| Powell? Seriously?
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| Quote ="jinkin jimmy"Powell? Seriously?'"
I'd play him, Dudson, Lauaki and probably Spencer next week in Catalan.
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"I'd play him, Dudson, Lauaki and probably Spencer next week in Catalan.'"
I reckon Lauaki will get a 1 game ban for the stamp attempt. I would bring Andy Powell in next week to see how he is getting on.
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| Quote ="tank123"I reckon Lauaki will get a 1 game ban for the stamp attempt. I would bring Andy Powell in next week to see how he is getting on.'"
If he'd have wanted to stamp on the Hudds player he wouldn't have missed from so close.
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"If he'd have wanted to stamp on the Hudds player he wouldn't have missed from so close.'"
Maybe in slow motion it looked dodgy and given the commentary by Dumb and Dumber maybe it looked a lot worse than it was.
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| Quote ="tank123"Maybe in slow motion it looked dodgy and given the commentary by Dumb and Dumber maybe it looked a lot worse than it was.'"
I'm sure the review and if necessary disciplinary panels will sort it out.
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| Surely you can't pick up a ban for attempted foul play? A player wouldn't get a ban for missing with a high shot or a trip.
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| Quote ="jinkin jimmy"Wow. Where's my pitchfork?'"
I think someone has it on the Gelling, Thornley or Sam thread.
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| Quote ="Pemps"Surely you can't pick up a ban for attempted foul play? A player wouldn't get a ban for missing with a high shot or a trip.'"
That is what I was thinking.
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| Quote ="Pemps"Surely you can't pick up a ban for attempted foul play? A player wouldn't get a ban for missing with a high shot or a trip.'"
Whether he receives a ban or not it needs looking at by the RfL- it wasn't a single incident-it was clearly a dirty tactic by the player and it stinks!
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| Quote ="jools"Whether he receives a ban or not it needs looking at by the RfL- it wasn't a single incident-it was clearly a dirty tactic by the player and it stinks!'"
Quite agree. It's a horrible thing to do to a defenceless player on the floor but because there was no contact and no foul play he surely can't be charged with anything?
A letter advising him to cool his jets a little may be what's in order.
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| Quote ="Pemps"Quite agree. It's a horrible thing to do to a defenceless player on the floor but because there was no contact and no foul play he surely can't be charged with anything?
A letter advising him to cool his jets a little may be what's in order.'"
I just think at the time (watching live on TV) Eric thought he had been either fouled or whatever and in a fit of temper he stamped hard on the floor, no body rushed in complaining and the Ref said nothing.
It was only later that the Sky Numpties got on the case and it was highlighted whilst the match was still running (comments at the time went something on the lines of, "surly they will have to look at this".
Sky must have an anti Wigan gopher nit picking the match to find anything or fabricate anything untoward.
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| Quote ="stillinthepast"I just think at the time (watching live on TV) Eric thought he had been either fouled or whatever and in a fit of temper he stamped hard on the floor, no body rushed in complaining and the Ref said nothing.
It was only later that the Sky Numpties got on the case and it was highlighted whilst the match was still running (comments at the time went something on the lines of, "surly they will have to look at this".
Sky must have an anti Wigan gopher nit picking the match to find anything or fabricate anything untoward.'"
Have to disagree - had that been an opposition player I would of been fuming - in fact I was fuming when Eric did it, not only because it was highly dangerous but because it was highly stupid and dumb.
Eric got lucky because he did not connect but imo the intent was there and the brains went awol.
Whilst I want our players to be aggressive I don't want them to be stupid and there are a number of player's that need to use their brains.
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| Quote ="stillinthepast"I just think at the time (watching live on TV) Eric thought he had been either fouled or whatever and in a fit of temper he stamped hard on the floor, no body rushed in complaining and the Ref said nothing.
It was only later that the Sky Numpties got on the case and it was highlighted whilst the match was still running (comments at the time went something on the lines of, "surly they will have to look at this".
Sky must have an anti Wigan gopher nit picking the match to find anything or fabricate anything untoward.'"
This is an attempt to try and justify a cowardly act, it wasn't just that once, he attempted it more than once in the game - the sky team didnt mention the one at 32 minutes which was clearly spotted by the camera. I've not watched the entire game back as yet but that one was mentioned on our board and I've seen it.
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| Poor signing, and has been poor during his stay here, but he was poor at Hull also, worrying that we signed him in the first place, must have been cheap.
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| From where I was sitting in the SS it was a definite attempted stamp. If he gets a ban you won't find me arguing against it.
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