With Tim Smith we wouldn't have been in the 8.

Maybe maybe not.



The point I am making is that it was obvious last night that ST is a fantastic prospect and a good player, but needs to improve a lot before he gets to the the level that some on here think he already is at.

Riddell was the most disappointing attacker yesterday for me. Riddell can offer us so much when he actually performs IMO and in such a big game he should have been firing on all cylinders but was very ineffective.

Sam and Leuluai were not superb neither I grant you but Sam was certainly the most threatening last night. Tommy yet again proved that he isn't a SH and O'Loughlin offered us little from LF. Saying all that Wigan still had great chances to take this game and bombed them so collectively they need something or someone to take them to the next level.

coley,,,fielden,presscott,pfffttttttt,,say no more,theres ur problem they couldnt get past me mum,

But that wasn't quite the point you made, was it?

You originally said that Sam needed to step up and didn't. You also said that he isn't the answer to our no. 6 problem.

You added in later posts that you feel he's a fantastic prospect, presumably because people were getting on your back over it. You may genuinely believe that, but that wasn't the implication of your original post.

What do people think of lockers performance? I thought he played his heart out x

Our best player i thought. He was everywhere in attack and defence and looked our most dangerous player close to the Saints line.

It's just a shame not all the players could follow the lead set by him and Sam Tomkins. I thought both were outstanding in effort terms and did everything they could to drag the side with them.

I thought like Sam Tomkins they both played very well. You can't question their commitment or passion and they can be very proud of their performance and the season they have had. xxxx (L)

Spitting at young saints fans.

Hes a classy lad that Tomkins aint he.

Get lost and get a life! Someone please ban this fool.

Being from st helens he probably thought they needed the wash.

Whens Tommy going to stand up in a big game? Having a pop at Tomkins is abit hard faced if you ask me.

sam had a good game last night, his kicking game was extremely evident and if he had more support on some occasions we would of got over a few times. sean oloughlin was immense, he should definately start 13 for england in a few weeks.

tomkins can learn from long, he produced a masterful experienced performance last night (although i still dont think he scored).

saints need to get rid off that pathetic pryce, he has turned from a player with alot of talent to an absolute donkey!

TL isnt a half back but as we have no other options he has to play there. In effect now Tomkins is our only playmaker. You stop him you stop Wigan which Saints did well last night.

i'd be tempted to give phelpsy more of a playmaking role next year hes shown on numerous occasions he has the ability to be a playmaker.

He didnt have his best game for us last nite but he is young and will learn from it he was up against people who have been playing SL for over 10years lets not forget he has only played half a seaon had he not been given a chance we wouldnt have finished where we did.

Last night our pack got steamrollered.
We didn't have an answer to the Puletua/Fasa'lu rotation Potter used.
Saints won it up the middle.
I didn't think Sam T had his best game for Wigan but to suggest he didn't show up I just don't get. He was the player Saints marked, I bet they knew he'd turned up.
Overall though the pack was well beaten and our half backs didn't have their best of games.
Well, there a surprise!!!!!!!!!!!!

If ifs an' ands made pots and pans there would be no need for tinkers.

We lost last night, good game. Until Coley/Fielden go we'll achieve nothing. Tomkins i feel is our solution at #6 plenty of time yet for his development.

It's easy to jump on Tomkins back, i can't see why. But i think we expected too much from him. Saints wrapped him up well last night and dominated in the pack.

Piggy didn''t really do much to help in the creativity and Tommy took a battering. Sam worked his in defense and so did the whole team it was an awesome effort in defense. Just lacked that finishing edge.

Bring on '10.

Wrong Tomkins - it was his brother - allegedly

Which one?

Joel apparently.

Sam played Pryce off the park last night.

He's the best half back in the country at the moment.

Pryce has been awful at times this year.
If he gets an England jersey I can see him being shown up as he was in the World Cup

Have we got our wires crossed (pardon the pun

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I was talking about the spitting incident Rogues