Excellent by all accounts.

I don't get to watch any but read up on the reports and all have been very positive. He was missing his halfback partner recently in Cooper Cronk against St George (iirc) and questions were asked of him if he could step up without him and he answered those with a mom display.

Seems he's found his position at stand off.

1. Sam Tomkins
2. Ben Jones Bishop
3. Jack Reed
4. Kirk Yeaman
5. Tom Briscoe
6. Gareth Widdop
7. Danny Brough
8. James Graham
9. James Roby
10. Gareth Carvell
11. Gareth Ellis
12. Ben Westwood
13. Sean O'loughlin
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14. Luke Robinson
15. Joel Tomkins
16. Jamie Peacock
17. Eorl Crabtree

1. Sam Tomkins
2. BJB
3. Jack Reed
4. Kirk Yeaman
5. Tom Briscoe
6. Gareth Widdop
7. Danny Brough
8. James Graham
9. James Roby
10. Adrian Morley
11. Gareth Ellis
12. Ben Westwood
13. Sean O'Loughlin

14. Lee Mossop
15. Luke Robinson
16. Joel Tomkins
17. Eorl Crabtree

If Burgess was fit i'd have him in over Eorl.

1. Sam Tomkins
2. Ben Jones-Bishop
3. Ryan Atkins ( has improved out of sight this year)
4. Kirk Yeaman
5. Tom Briscoe
6. Gareth Widdop
7. Danny Brough
8. James Graham
9. James Roby
10. Adrian Morley
11. Gareth Ellis
12. Ben Westwood
13. Sean O'Loughlin

14. Lee Mossop
15. Jonny Lomax
16. Joel Tomkins
17. Garreth Carvell

1. Tomkins
2. Hall
3. Shenton
4. Atkins
5. Briscoe
6. Sinfield
7. Lomax
8. Graham
9. Roby
10. Carvell
11. Joel tomkins
12. Wilkin
13. O'louglin

14.burrow
15. Morley
16. Widdop
17. Peacock

1. Sam Tomkins
2. Josh Charnley
3. Chris Bridge
4. Kirk Yeaman
5. Tom Briscoe
6. Gareth Widdop
7. Danny Brough
8. James Graham
9. James Roby
10. Jamie Peacock
11. Gareth Eliis
12. Ben Westwood
13. Sean O'Loughlin

14. Lee Mossop
15. Adrian Morley
16. Joel Tomkins
17. Rob Burrow

Jack Reed is a must in the centres

who does jack reed play for

No Worrincy anywhere?

Brisbane IIRC

Brisbane

Last I heard Reed was ready to commit to Queensland, has he decided yet?

S.Tomkins
T.Briscoe
K.Yeaman
L.Cudjoe
J.McGillvary
G.Widdop
D.Brough
J.Graham
J.Roby
G.Carvell
G.Ellis
B.Westwood
S.O'Loughlin

J.Lomax/L.Robinson
A.Morley
L.Mossop
J.Tomkins

I still think were weak in the centres. We have some really good wingers in BJB, Charnley, Hall ... But the centres let us down thats why i'd go with partnerships. Think BJB is going to be quality so tempted to put him in but iys who you'd pair him with.

Carvell has been immense this year and deserves a starting place alongside Graham who will give us mobility whilst alongside Carvell. That then leaves an experienced head Morley playing alongside Mossop to help him along.

Roby should play most of the game imo so i'd go with Lomax to add something different near the end if we need a lift.

Joel for his veratility on the bench. If any of the backrowers underperform Wilkin should come straight in hes had an exceptional year for Saints.

dont make me chuckle

1. sam
2. hall
3. atkins
4. bridge
5. briscoe
6.myler
7. brough
8.morley
9.roby
10.graham
11.westwood
12. ellis
13. lockers

robinson
burgess
carvell
peacock

Seems a long shot that Reed will opt to play for England.

I don't want Jamie Peacock anywhere near the England 17.

Agreed mate... I'd definitely put Lomax in there as he brings something different. Roby is a machine and will probably play the full 80 mins anyway

Dont make me chuckle!!

Crazy isn't it.

I'd agree Charnley isn't quite there yet but he will be an international player with 2 years.

Mossop is ready now. He along with Carvell have been the best 2 props in the league after Graham.

Charnley is a year or two away currently for sure. Mossop has been a monster for Wigan this year and serious questions need to be asked if he is not in the England 17. I do think he will be picked tbh. McBanana was singing his praises a few weeks back.

As for Atkins.....





Hes got the physique no doubt, but his awareness is non existent. Good runner but a shocking defender and terrible hands.

Myler has improved i think, but is still pretty one dimensional as a player. He will be in contention in a year or so, but not just yet.

But as for Atkins....

Talk about picking a player of reputation, could any body tell me when was the last time Peacock had a good game, or even what year it was.

Seriously, people need to stop throwing NRL players in, just because they play in the NRL. You need established wing/centre, and halfback partnerships if you're going to be competitive. England don't spend enough time together and don't play enough games to develop partnerships of their own, and it's MADNESS to throw a pair of halfbacks who have never met each other into a game against Australia. Therefore, Gareth Widdop should not be selected, for that very reason. Shove him on the bench if you must, but he MUST NOT START.

Similarly, I like Kirk Yeaman very much, but Tom Briscoe isn't good enough, so I'd leave Yeaman out. I'd sooner see Atkins or Bridge alongside, say, Chris Riley, and you'd have to have rocks in your head to not consider a Joel Tomkins/Charnley partnership. Maybe it's too early, but they're going well.

As for halfbacks, I'm struggling to name an established English halfback partnership if I'm honest, and we've not had a decent one since Long and Pryce. It's a shame Briers is Welsh, as Richie Myler has at last found some form. It pains me to say it, but it's hard to look any further than the three at Huddersfield - Brown, Brough and Robinson.

The difference in Australia is that all the teams are coached - and seem to play - in very similar ways, so it's easier to put players from different clubs together. Here, teams play very differently from each other, and that's where our problem is, not quality of individual players.

Mossop should be a shoe in although he probably won't be.

His shoulder may rule him out anyway.

Tomkins
Charnley
Bridge
Atkins
Briscoe
Widdop
Brough
Graham
Roby
Carvell
Westwood
Ellis
Lockers

Burrow
Joel
Mossop
Morley

When we play the Aussies and Kiwis we need to offload every tackle and give it to them, if we let them play and show them respect we will get tonked, if we are aggressive in defence and throw it about a bit in attack we will do ok, most times we have beaten the Aussies we have given to them as they 'don't like it up em'. Bit of biff at the start wouldn't go amiss either.

Kicking the ball dead to take out Slaters kick returns would help and pressure from the markers 'Jason Hooper style' on their kickers would help us.

No doubt with McBanana we will get hammered.

1 - Sam
2 - Charnley
3 - Joel
4 - Yeaman
5 - Briscoe
6 - Widdop
7 - Lomax/Brough
8 - Morley
9 - Roby
10 - Graham
11 - Ellis
12 - Westwood
13 - O'Loughlin

14 - Mason
15 - Carvell
16 - Mossop (2nd row)
17 - Bridge (Utility back)