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| Quote ="NickyKiss"I wonder where the game would be now had there been no salary cap during that Whelan/Lindsay era pre Lenagan taking over. You had Whelan cashed up and clubs like Leeds, Saints, Bradford would’ve gone toe to toe with any attempts to spend our way to titles. You had Simon Moran getting involved at Wire and he would’ve took them on as well and then somebody like Koukash comes later and he seems the sort that would’ve relished taking on guys like Whelan and Lindsay. Who knows which other businessmen/women would’ve fancied jumping in at other clubs.
I’m confident we’d be a damn site better off as a sport then we are now. We’ve been left to rot really, all on the basis that clubs wanted an ‘even competition’. It’s that even we’ve had 4 Grand Final winners in 24 years.'"
The clubs with no ambition are happy though so all is well.
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| Quote ="NickyKiss"I wonder where the game would be now had there been no salary cap during that Whelan/Lindsay era pre Lenagan taking over. You had Whelan cashed up and clubs like Leeds, Saints, Bradford would’ve gone toe to toe with any attempts to spend our way to titles. You had Simon Moran getting involved at Wire and he would’ve took them on as well and then somebody like Koukash comes later and he seems the sort that would’ve relished taking on guys like Whelan and Lindsay. Who knows which other businessmen/women would’ve fancied jumping in at other clubs.
I’m confident we’d be a damn site better off as a sport then we are now. We’ve been left to rot really, all on the basis that clubs wanted an ‘even competition’. It’s that even we’ve had 4 Grand Final winners in 24 years.'"
Don't forget Branson was involved early doors too
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| Quote ="NickyKiss"I wonder where the game would be now had there been no salary cap during that Whelan/Lindsay era pre Lenagan taking over. You had Whelan cashed up and clubs like Leeds, Saints, Bradford would’ve gone toe to toe with any attempts to spend our way to titles. You had Simon Moran getting involved at Wire and he would’ve took them on as well and then somebody like Koukash comes later and he seems the sort that would’ve relished taking on guys like Whelan and Lindsay. Who knows which other businessmen/women would’ve fancied jumping in at other clubs.
I’m confident we’d be a damn site better off as a sport then we are now. We’ve been left to rot really, all on the basis that clubs wanted an ‘even competition’. It’s that even we’ve had 4 Grand Final winners in 24 years.'"
My thoughts too. I've often wondered if the potential menace of Whelan throwing his pocket money at Wigan and buying half an Origin team was such a threat that the Salary Cap was fast-tracked through. It certainly screwed Mo during his second tenure, as he had no Plan B.
For a brief time, I supported the Salary Cap. I thought that maybe it was necessary to prevent three or four clubs running away with everything. But that's happened anyway, and yet now we routinely lose our best players before they're 25, half the game feels as though it's broke, and the presence of megastars in British RL is a thing of the past ... unless they arrive here by default.
Mo tried to turn British RL into a major sport, and he almost succeeded. But maybe that's never going to happen whoever gets the reins. It feels as though we'll be forever confined to the M62, primarily because lots of folk in the game seem to want it that way. And even if they don't, I can't help feeling that ship has now sailed.
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| Very sad news indeed . Maurice Lindsey was a 'visionary', and was responsible for turning us around in the early 80's to what we became. A very major force in Rugby League once again. The 1970's were dire, well apart from Bill Ashurst in the team . I did manage to speak briefly with him once when he was doing his 'day job', at Chester races, around 2003. He was a very articulate and thoughtfully spoken man indeed.
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| Interesting comments about the salery cap. Wasn't it Maurice who brought it in to hopefully prevent clubs going bust?
RIP Maurice.
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| Quote ="proper-shaped-balls"Interesting comments about the salery cap. Wasn't it Maurice who brought it in to hopefully prevent clubs going bust?
RIP Maurice.'"
Well if he did, he never stopped complaining about it later.
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| A lot has been said about ML & what he did for the game but don’t think many people realise what a good boxer he was in his younger days.
Not many men wanted to fight Lindsey who was as tough and skilful in the ring as he was in his approach to business.
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| Quote ="Cruncher"Well if he did, he never stopped complaining about it later.'"
This may be my imagination but didn’t the salary cap start as a percentage of income with no upper limit. It was only after Mo left it was changed to a finite amount.
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| Really sad to see the lack of acknowledgment of his passing from Latics. He's a former chairman of their club and whilst some of the fan base might not have liked him, you'd expect a club to be above that.
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| Quote ="sergeant pepper"Really sad to see the lack of acknowledgment of his passing from Latics. He's a former chairman of their club and whilst some of the fan base might not have liked him, you'd expect a club to be above that.'"
The problem there is that a significant number of their fans still hate him ... mainly because their grandads told them they should.
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| Quote ="Cruncher"The problem there is that a significant number of their fans still hate him ... mainly because their grandads told them they should.'"
I dont think that is the case, some fans resented the idea of merger clubs, quite rightly, I mean there was plenty on the table, and I think Mo would have been happy to see them in the final run, but for a large campaign against that part.
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| Quote ="Sadfish"I dont think that is the case, some fans resented the idea of merger clubs, quite rightly, I mean there was plenty on the table, and I think Mo would have been happy to see them in the final run, but for a large campaign against that part.'"
They’re on about Wigan Athletic fans mate.
Some of the comments have been sick really but that’s what you get from a minority of Latics ‘fans’ (and I support them).
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| Quote ="NickyKiss"They’re on about Wigan Athletic fans mate.
Some of the comments have been sick really but that’s what you get from a minority of Latics ‘fans’ (and I support them).'"
ah yes, but they will hate everything that the Warrior succeed and everybody involved.
take it as a win.
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Quote ="sergeant pepper"Really sad to see the lack of acknowledgment of his passing from Latics. He's a former chairman of their club and whilst some of the fan base might not have liked him, you'd expect a club to be above that.'"
https://twitter.com/WiganWarriorsRL/sta ... 2913856517
Literally the first reply. They were never going to do more than that.
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https://twitter.com/WiganWarriorsRL/sta ... 2913856517
Literally the first reply. They were never going to do more than that.
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| Quote ="NickyKiss"Some of the comments have been sick really but that’s what you get from a minority of Latics ‘fans’ (and I support them).'"
This.
I understand the reasons why people from that era disliked him, but sometimes you just have to keep your opinions to yourself.
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| RIP Maurice.
If only as a sport we had taken the success of the 95 World Cup and ran with it who knows where we could be today.
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| Quote ="Conroy!"RIP Maurice.
If only as a sport we had taken the success of the 95 World Cup and ran with it who knows where we could be today.'"
That was a great tournament. Remember watching England/Fiji at Central Park and it was packed.
Fast forward to the 2000 edition and it was a nightmare.
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| Quote ="Conroy!"https://twitter.com/WiganWarriorsRL/status/1526472612913856517
Literally the first reply. They were never going to do more than that.'"
I know it's not like for like and there's more of a back story with Mo, but Wigan paid respects when the son of the new Latics owner died. Like I said it's not in the same ball park, but showed a touch of class for someone not related to the club in anyway way, never mind a former chairman.
Comments can be turned off on most social platforms too. There's more they could have done, but I don't expect anything less from them.
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| Saints fans jeering and singing through the minutes applause for him last night too. Just shows what we already know about both sets of fans. Latics and Saints are scum, their bleating about how great they are but in reality just bridesmaids to the most popular and successful team by a million miles and they can't handle it. Warrington usually get my ire for their behaviour towards away fans but Saints have just taken their crown. I have never liked St Helens because they are our dearest rivals but I always respected them as a rival but after all these years of them having my respect, they can respectfully swivel on it. Absolute scum. Their little horrible clan on redvee epitomises everything about them. And Latics.... You can make damn sure I will be on to their forums to pay my respects to Dave Whelan when it happens in exactly the same manner as they have shown. Fat 50-60 odd year old sad acts who bring their rag bag druggie kids up to hate Wigan Rugby because they have small penises and an inferiority complex.
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| Quote ="Pie_Eyter"Saints fans jeering and singing through the minutes applause for him last night too. '"
I said at the time that an applause rather than a silence was a good idea given the two teams involved and their hatred of all things Wigan, but then you could still hear the song coming through. At least it wasn't anything aimed at him personally.
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| Quote ="Egg Chasing"I said at the time that an applause rather than a silence was a good idea given the two teams involved and their hatred of all things Wigan, but then you could still hear the song coming through. At least it wasn't anything aimed at him personally.'"
You know what, Wigan get loads of stick from fans. The "evil club", "no class" & "arrogance" etc, but when you see stuff like this it doesn't add up.
I look how the club recognised Ratchford after his testimonial game, or how they've celebrated Burrow. The club go above the petty stuff that tarnishes fans (lord knows I've thrown mud).
The moron's on Redvee and Latics need to take a long hard look at themselves.
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| Quote ="sergeant pepper"You know what, Wigan get loads of stick from fans. The "evil club", "no class" & "arrogance" etc, but when you see stuff like this it doesn't add up.
I look how the club recognised Ratchford after his testimonial game, or how they've celebrated Burrow. The club go above the petty stuff that tarnishes fans (lord knows I've thrown mud).
The moron's on Redvee and Latics need to take a long hard look at themselves.'"
I don’t think there’s a club that does more to show it’s class than Wigan at the moment. It’s driven by Rads by the looks of things and it’s something he can be extremely proud of. Every players milestones are celebrated, regardless of the club they play for.
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| Quote ="NickyKiss"I don’t think there’s a club that does more to show it’s class than Wigan at the moment. It’s driven by Rads by the looks of things and it’s something he can be extremely proud of. Every players milestones are celebrated, regardless of the club they play for.'"
It goes beyond that as well for me. Obviously we have the Sinfield and Burrow thing in the reception which we didn't need to do as neither have any connection to Wigan and we have displayed it for all to see rather than hide it away somewhere (we also auctioned our shirts off for MND which I didn't see any other club doing) but it's the whole way we conduct ourselves.
If the same thing happens to us next week (heaven forbid) as happene to Saints in 2019 with a poor VR call, do you think IL and KR write the article that McManus wrote? In fact, we didn't even mention it in 2017 IIRC after the Tony Clubb decision we just congratulated Hull and moved on.
We will never win some fans over regardless of what we do or the facts you put in front of them that dispels the myth they promote, we're hated for a reason, but we definitely can't ve accused as having no class.
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| RIP
Gave us the Best Days of our Lives
There'll never be another like him
Simply the Best
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