|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Club Coach | 29832 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Nov 2004 | 20 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Jan 2025 | Jan 2025 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Ablett and Faz to miss out for me.
Big ask of Widdop after so long out with just a few run outs in between. It's a gamble he had to take though but it shouldn't have come to this.
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Star | 280 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Aug 2013 | 11 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Oct 2019 | Aug 2018 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Lockers should have been squad captain.
Brough should be in at 6.
Smith should have been in at 7.
Goulding should have been in over Cudjoe / Watkins, although there has been no evidence to suggest their inclusion was a bad selection to date.
Roby has outperformed Micky in my opinion.
Westwood, Hill and Sam Burgess have been immense.
Sinfield is there for his kicking ability only, but replace him with Brough and you have a solution from the off.
Crazy squad in my opinion, but we are in the semi so lets not be too downhearted.
Glad Chase has been dropped no matter the reason, not a team player despite the benefits of his inclusion in the past.
Wane / McDermott in!!
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Club Coach | 15810 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Jun 2005 | 20 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Jan 2025 | Jan 2025 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Changing the halves for a Semi final. Just shows how useless McBanana is
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 2797 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Jul 2008 | 17 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Aug 2017 | Oct 2016 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Tomkins
Charnley
Watkins
Cudjoe
Hall
Widdop
Sinfield
Hill
Roby
Graham
S Burgess
Westwood
O'Loughlin
G Burgess
Mossop
Ferres
Ablett
Keep the halves and Roby consistent for 80 minutes. Ablett on the bench to cover injuries in the backs. Burrow and Farrell missing out.
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Club Coach | 15457 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Jul 2005 | 20 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Jan 2025 | Dec 2024 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="[Gareth"Changing the halves for a Semi final. Just shows how useless McBanana is'"
This. Has Widdop even play 6 for a full game for England? This should have been done two weeks ago at the latest.
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Club Coach | 18737 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Jul 2005 | 20 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Jan 2025 | May 2024 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
Moderator
|
| He can't really do a worse job than Chase. The decision has been made and even though it's probably too late, it's the right decision.
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Star | 3441 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Nov 2010 | 14 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Nov 2024 | Oct 2022 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Correct decision. To little to late though. And I assume it's for all the wrong reasons.
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Star | 993 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Sep 2011 | 13 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Apr 2024 | Sep 2017 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
|
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 445 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Jun 2009 | 16 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Mar 2017 | Nov 2016 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="[Gareth"Changing the halves for a Semi final. Just shows how useless McBanana is'"
Unless England win of course , then its genius .
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 318 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Apr 2008 | 17 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Jan 2025 | Oct 2024 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="Buck Tarbrush"Unless England win of course , then its genius .'"
Either that or it would just prove everyone else right and he should have started with Widdop
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Star | 1789 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Jan 2011 | 14 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Feb 2017 | Feb 2017 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="FIOS"Correct decision. To little to late though. And I assume it's for all the wrong reasons.'"
Maybe he has been looking at the amount of flack he has received in the Press and on various message boards regarding his choice of halfbacks, so he decided on a change.
He seems to have got half of it right anyway.
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Star | 1789 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Jan 2011 | 14 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Feb 2017 | Feb 2017 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="stillinthepast"Maybe he has been looking at the amount of flack he has received in the Press and on various message boards regarding his choice of halfbacks, so he decided on a change.
He seems to have got half of it right anyway.'"
On a more serious note, will McBanana go the whole hog and put Widdop to fullback and Sam to halfback, which would really make NZ think, or at least think of that option to mix things up a bit if needs be.
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Club Coach | 15810 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Jun 2005 | 20 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Jan 2025 | Jan 2025 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="stillinthepast"On a more serious note, will McBanana go the whole hog and put Widdop to fullback and Sam to halfback, which would really make NZ think, or at least think of that option to mix things up a bit if needs be.'"
If he does its because he's read your post!
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Board Member | 12006 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Jul 2003 | 22 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Mar 2019 | Oct 2014 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| I don't understand dropping one of our most physical players against arguably the biggest pack in the comp.
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Board Member | 32362 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Oct 2002 | 22 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Jan 2025 | Jan 2025 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="Conroy"I don't understand dropping one of our most physical players against arguably the biggest pack in the comp.'"
Agree, we need to make life as uncomfortable as possible for Isaac Luke, and as good a player as James Roby is he doesn't have that "aggression" of McIlorum.
I would have started with McIlorum for the first twenty with the specific instruction to "get at Luke" and then brought Roby on.
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Board Member | 12006 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Jul 2003 | 22 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Mar 2019 | Oct 2014 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"Agree, we need to make life as uncomfortable as possible for Isaac Luke, and as good a player as James Roby is he doesn't have that "aggression" of McIlorum.
I would have started with McIlorum for the first twenty with the specific instruction to "get at Luke" and then brought Roby on.'"
Spot on. Yes Micky gives pens away but no more than Westwood or Ablett.
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Board Member | 11377 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Sep 2002 | 22 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Jan 2025 | Aug 2024 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"Agree, we need to make life as uncomfortable as possible for Isaac Luke, and as good a player as James Roby is he doesn't have that "aggression" of McIlorum.
I would have started with McIlorum for the first twenty with the specific instruction to "get at Luke" and then brought Roby on.'"
Can you imagine Australia leaving Cameron Smith on the bench and picking a more aggressive player, just for aggression's sake, against NZ?
It's a silly argument IMO - Roby is simply a better player and offers more to the team so he plays.
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Star | 1789 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Jan 2011 | 14 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Feb 2017 | Feb 2017 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"Agree, we need to make life as uncomfortable as possible for Isaac Luke, and as good a player as James Roby is he doesn't have that "aggression" of McIlorum.
I would have started with McIlorum for the first twenty with the specific instruction to "get at Luke" and then brought Roby on.'"
McBanana will go has he did in one of the earlier matches, spell Roby just after halftime with Sinfield going to hooker and bringing Burrows on. The problem is it may be to late by then.
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Board Member | 12006 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Jul 2003 | 22 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Mar 2019 | Oct 2014 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="FearTheVee"Can you imagine Australia leaving Cameron Smith on the bench and picking a more aggressive player, just for aggression's sake, against NZ?
It's a silly argument IMO - Roby is simply a better player and offers more to the team so he plays.'"
Cam Smith has been switched to 13 on numerous occasions to allow them to change the game with Farah at 9 or Cronk prior to DL retiring.
How will we change the game if we need to do so?
Roby is a strike player. That's why he was so fantastic for Saints when he came on for Cunningham. He can't perform to his best in an all out battle as he isn't that type of player. Cam Smith on the other hand is.
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Board Member | 11377 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Sep 2002 | 22 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Jan 2025 | Aug 2024 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="Conroy"Cam Smith has been switched to 13 on numerous occasions to allow them to change the game with Farah at 9 or Cronk prior to DL retiring.
How will we change the game if we need to do so?
Roby is a strike player. That's why he was so fantastic for Saints when he came on for Cunningham. He can't perform to his best in an all out battle as he isn't that type of player. Cam Smith on the other hand is.'"
Roby is only a strike/impact player if you are still wandering around in 2006. He's been Saints best player by a ridiculous margin since Cunningham retired, as an 80 minute player.
Roby has more effective distribution, running game and defence (the stats suggest MM missed almost 4 times more of his tackles than Roby in SL 2013). I'm genuinely struggling to see any logic to preferring an inferior 80 minute hooker, and it appears to be logic that only exists on this board to be honest.
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Star | 3850 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Jun 2011 | 14 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Jan 2025 | Jan 2025 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="Conroy"I don't understand dropping one of our most physical players against arguably the biggest pack in the comp.'"
Physicality and aggression will only get you so far. When people consistently list aggression as a players main strength, it highlights the fact that his playing ability is limited.
Doing the occasional big hit is the one and only facet of the game that you could argue McIlorum does better than Roby. It therefore makes no sense whatsoever to play him. We need our best PLAYERS on the field v NZ, not our supposedly toughest men.
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 4722 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Apr 2010 | 15 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Dec 2024 | Sep 2024 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="FearTheVee"Roby is only a strike/impact player if you are still wandering around in 2006. He's been Saints best player by a ridiculous margin since Cunningham retired, as an 80 minute player.
Roby has more effective [udistribution, running game and [udefence (the stats suggest MM missed almost 4 times more of his tackles than Roby in SL 2013)[/u[/u. I'm genuinely struggling to see any logic to preferring an inferior 80 minute hooker, and it appears to be logic that only exists on this board to be honest.'"
how many games played? and against what opposition?.....stats dont tell the whole truth.
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Chairman | 8155 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Dec 2001 | 23 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Jan 2025 | Jan 2025 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| McIlorum can't play. With Sinfield at first receiver the combination is far too slow and McNamara ain't going to drop Sinfield.
Roby often runs from dh then bypasses the first receiver and that is what will work. McIlorum is brilliant at Wigan as the first receivers Green/Smith know his game and he knows theirs. When he picks the ball up at dh they are already moving and that's how Wigan's structure works.
Sinfield's movement is slow and now slower than ever. He has to kick as he doesn't have the pace to run at the defensive line.
It has to be Roby over Mic Mac under McNamara's team selection with Sinfield at first receiver.
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Board Member | 11377 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Sep 2002 | 22 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Jan 2025 | Aug 2024 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="Pieman"how many games played? and against what opposition?.....stats dont tell the whole truth.'"
The stat I'm talking about is misses as a proportion of tackles made. If you're concerned about number of games you could use Roby 2012; I doubt it would make any difference. Roby has also been playing in a weaker side.
As for opposition, that's tricky - I think all MM's games were against Melbourne Storm and Roby played Salford a couple of dozen times.
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Club Coach | 15810 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Jun 2005 | 20 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Jan 2025 | Jan 2025 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="FearTheVee"As for opposition, that's tricky - I think all MM's games were against Melbourne Storm and Roby played Salford a couple of dozen times.'"
im sure that cant be right
|
|
|
|
|