Some really good points here, have to disagree about Cooper - good workrate but no decent hooker to take advantage and Havard ran his blood to water in attack and defence - that there was no outcome is down to the creative players?

I applaud McIlorum tonight. A masterclass in showing up an opposite number. Not sure where we go when the last few weeks have produced yet more peaks and troughs in performance week-to-week. Just left feeling like I’ve seen this all before last year.

I’m with CP, that pack is not good enough to win titles. Regarding our creativity, if Cust is considered to be a halfback then trade descriptions come into play. He is slow, doesn’t have a kicking game and his distribution is poor. Oh, and his defence is shocking. He should be sat in the stands with me.

Our pack is killing us.

Unless our pack can stand up and be counted then at matters not who is selected in the spine.

I’m still trying to,work out why they did that

If the game was tommorrow it would be on a dry pitch

But with the same set of useless forwards selected.

I also agree that the pack is, as a unit, not good enough - my issue is with the assessment of Cooper/Havard on their performance tonight.

Not a totally unexpected result. A very average team who worked hard and used a few spoiling tactics totally floored us.
We have played poorly in 3 games so far this season. I exclude the Wakefield game as they we appalling in the extreme. The first half against Cas was abysmal.
Apart form Marshall not one other player has played well this season. A pretty horrendous opinion but for me it’s broadly accurate.
My worry is that we have nothing in squad to replace a team currently devoid of dog and urgency.
I put the majority of the blame with the coaching staff. When was the last time we started well?
We need to forget our CC win from nearly a year ago and get back to basics.
Our discipline in giving away cheap penalties is unforgivable.
I expect a defeat again next week and then it will be hey lads hey.
Lots of work to do and I haven’t totally written us off but realistically I can’t see us being anywhere near good enough come October. It’s going to be a long season.

Very few options but I’d replace Singleton with Byrne and Isa with Ellis dropping KPP from the squad. Not sure if that is anywhere near good enough but I don’t see any other options.
If things carry on I predict that young Forber will be playing on a regular basis come April.
Interesting times albeit very frustrating times.

Ok, I agree with that.

Cust and Powell should also be sat in the stands. The last time Cust had a good game was in the CC Semi-final. If he is an halfback then we might as well give up.

Quote ="Zig"Cust and Powell should also be sat in the stands. The last time Cust had a good game was in the CC Semi-final. If he is an halfback then we might as well give up.'" I am now worried as Phil Clarke seems to agree with me! https://www.seriousaboutrl.com/phil-cla ... nal-70157/

Quote ="Zig"Cust and Powell should also be sat in the stands. The last time Cust had a good game was in the CC Semi-final. If he is an halfback then we might as well give up.'" I am now worried as Phil Clarke seems to agree with me! https://www.seriousaboutrl.com/phil-cla ... nal-70157/

Fair one Zig, didn't want to appear nitpicking but I thought Havard really got stuck in and as a "Junior" pro showed up some others tonight.

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I am looking forward to seeing the statistics.

To be fair tonight we could point the finger at 17 players so personally I wouldn’t just pick out Powell or Cust.
With the current pack we will be vulnerable to any team that fronts us up.
We are severely lacking leadership at the moment on and off the field. How we start every game at the moment is pretty frightening.
My biggest worry is the lack of dog in the team and specifically in the pack. I’ve never particularly rated Bateman but at least he always had a dig. Our pack at the moment is,to put it politely, powderpuff and rudderless.
We will lose next week at Huddersfield and then the pressure will really start to build.

Cats did the basics much better and were the better team on the night.

2/4 is majorly disappointing consider j think we’ve had a easy run fixtures.

Don’t think we have the pack to compete with the top teams.

Phil Clarke is right on Cust, he seems very popular amongst fans but he’s done nothing since he’s joined - he’s happy to sit back and let Smith do all the kicking and playmaking, he’s bad in defence, his running game is very average.

Not watched it back but Mago had his best game in ages. Put the offloads away and seemed to make plenty of metres and give us a spark.

See how we go next week.

There's just no threat in an around the middle of the park. The one time we cut back against the grain, we score a try.

Teams are flying out on our 2nd pivot on every single play and because our play is so predictable, this works 9 times out of 10.

It's over to Matt Peet now, we've got a difficult run until Easter. The team has got the potential to do really well this year, but it's just that at the moment. We can't expect to win RL games turning up with a good attitude one week, then an entitled one the next.

Abysmal display. Regretting shelling out over 80quid of good friday tickets now

The only saving grace for Cust at the moment is how much quicker the ball looked off the deck when he moved to 9.

He had a reasonable season last season without being spectacular but he hasn’t kicked on so far this year as yet and in reality has been poor.

I don’t think that there is any chance at the moment that Powell will be relieved of the hooking role as I think that Peet must be concerned about the lack of leadership on the pitch and I assume that Powell is thought as a critical part of a very thin in experience squad.
The best hooker in the squad is Forber by a country mile but he won’t get a sniff in the short term due a shortage of experience within the squad. If we get on a run of 4 or 5 consecutive defeats then Peet, with very limited options, will have to look at doing something completely different otherwise, we will be this season’s Wire.

When Cust played against Salford in the pre season friendly I thought he looked slimmer and a touch faster than last season but as a few have already said he just doesn’t get involved enough or have the required skills to be a top HB.

I’d be looking to start with Powell and introduce Cust off the bench.

I never thought I'd be defending Wigan on a Wigan forum but there seems to be a bit of an over-reaction here. I didn't see any of the game last night as I was at Utd but I have to say I was surprised when I saw the score after the game.

However, you have lost away against HKR which was always going to be a tough game at any point of the season never mind their opening game. You've then followed up with a 96-0 aggregate score over two games. To keep any SL team scoreless is a great achievement regardless of how bad they were.

Catalan are a funny team and last night their good side obviously showed up. Was probably the worst conditions possible for a team with a pack as light as yours, it would've suited Catalans much better.

Talk of a defeat against Hudds is surprising, I think you'll go there and win.

I still see Wigan as our main challengers (and to be fair I think Warrington will challenge properly this year)

Well, my prediction from before the game couldn't have been any worse



Completely out-enthused last night and dominated by a stronger pack. Micky Mac was awesome for them and really got stuck into us. We struggled to live with them for most of the game, the only period where i feel we truly competed with them was when Mago was on who probably had one of his best stints for us.

I am probably going to have a different opinion to other here, but on a whole i don't think there was a lack of effort, just a clear class difference in the pack which with the weather as a factor meant we was on a hiding to nothing for most of the night. Combine that with poor passes that were not finding there mark (it would be easy to blame the weather on this, and while it was a factor it has been an issue for us in every game so far this season imo. Combinations are not working and our Hooker / Halfbacks are not supplying accurate passes which slows everything down, this really needs looking into by the coaching staff imo), killing ourselves with poor dicipline especially when our backs are against the wall, Catalan getting away with holding us down for longer then should be allowed for most of the match and some coach-killing errors even given the conditions (kicking out on the full once is a forgivable error, twice is unacceptable). Our right side is also a major issue, something is not clicking over there and it needs addressing, Isa still looks like our best option at second row for now, but that is saying something.

The decision to go for the 2 when we had Catalan on the ropes was shocking and from what i saw at the game, the blame for that falls solely on the coaching staff. Powell was signalling back to the bench to keep up the momentum, but must have been over-ruled by somebody, a try there could have been a real game changer and it looked likely but instead be chose to give up all pressure we had finally worked to build. Pure insanity.

The forwards is an obvious issue, and while Cust, FIeld and Smith were given no room to work with all night, this is clearly a weak point of ours that needs addressing, Hull KR did the same thing and it was very effective against us. Teams know that if they get up in our ball players faces, that we crack and become ineffective. I full expect it to happen quite a few more times this season and Saints would annihalate us at present, Catalan were even doing it to smithies last night and plays were dying before they even got started.

If i am honest, i am not sure what can be done about our forward pack atm, i think it is time to bring Byrne back in with the orders to get stuck in and get abit of aggression and dog into the team from the start of the game.

I am also open to some changes to the back line, the current combinations are not working and we are easily countered with aggressive defence. I would also like to bring French into the game by pulling him into fullback, because at the moment with our right side how it is he isn't doing much. May as well be Miski stood out there, who i don't mine btw i think his performances last season improved the more he played. Also willing to try Cust at hooker for a full game, he played well there in the NRL (although he also played well at stand off) and Forber is too young and inexperienced to drop into this pack with how performances are going atm.

If we are going to try mixing the team and combination up, now is the time to do it while the season is still young. I would maybe look at bringing Forber in vs. Leigh in a few weeks and see how he goes. No overreactions from me yet, but some changes or notable differences in clinicalness would be welcomed.