Regardless, he hasn't played for two weeks & Josh Charnley is in excellent form playing every week for Hull KR.

No we wouldn't. He's our player first and foremost. Not to mention the loan deal is only on a week to week basis and we can have him back whenever we please. The only stipulation is that we give them 24 hours notice. If it benefits Wigan bring the lad back. We've done the same with Liam Farrell, Ben Davies and Shaun Ainscough.

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Confirmed on the official site that Gleeson will miss the next two games

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I wonder if it is more like Joel will move to centre -this has been tried already and we do have plenty of cover in the 2nd row.


ps:not saying this is the preffered option (for me anyway) but it is an option that has been used already.

Joel Tomkins should take the centre spot. Charnley is settled at Hull KR playing good rugby for now.

Surely you've just contradicted yourself there?

Josh Charnley is settled at Hull KR, so we should move Joel Tomkins out of the position he's played all year in to centre and shuffle our back row a bit?

He has already played there this season and already plays in the first team. This would allow the likes of Farrell and Tuson to be our main go forward behind Hansen in the backrow, they will get more game time.

Surely you can see the difference between moving Joel to centre and moving Charnley from Hull KR.

But Goulding and Pryce have far more experience at centre than either Joel Tomkins or Charnley.

Joel Tomkins is a much better player though.

Charnley for me, we can then loan Marsh to Hull KR.

It's hard work keeping superleague clubs going with our players.

There is no way I would play Thornley, if he had a stormer we would have another Ashton on our hands with the fans and press kicking up a stink

I would play marsh there

What better opportunity will Charnley get to play in the first team? He has been in excellent form in the right centre spot. What more does he need to do. Also if Gleeson doesn't recover well enough then he might find himself playing in a grand final soon!

Having said that I think the Wigan coaching staff need to decide what is best for Josh and if it would be better not to unsettle him just now while he is playing well (if playing for your hometown club on the day they could clinch their first trophy in eight years could be classed as unsettling!). On balance I would say give him his chance as he deserves it.

We'll have to agree to disagree then. I think playing Joel out of position is both unnecessary when you have a player in the form like Josh Charnley, and more 'disruptive' when on balance you put more pressure on the likes of Liam Farrell and Chris Tuson. It would be a very Noble-esquire move. Not something I would associate with this management team.



Yes I can see the difference. One's perfectly logical and the other is plain stupidity.

Tha'ts why I think it is far more logical to play either Pryce or Goulding at centre. They have been training as part of the first team squad all year, whereas Charnley hasn't.

I'm not having a go at Charnley btw, my thoughts on him have been posted many times on here.

But to play Goulding or Pryce would completely contradict the ethos set by Shaun Wane and Michael MaGuire. In that players have to earn their spot in the team. Regardless of 'experience', which if that's the ground you'd base your decisions on then in reality it is playing players based on reputation. If we were going down that route Stefan Marsh, Ben Davies, Liam Farrell and Johnny Walker would not have got a game this season because we had players available who were more 'experienced' (reputation!). The Joel Tomkins idea is ludicrous. Darrell Goulding has been in reputable form on the wing so I wouldn't change that. If it's not broke don't fix it etc. Karl Pryce has not played in two weeks & so has no ground to demonstrate the level of form that Josh Charnley is in at Hull KR.

Josh Charnley deserves the spot on merit. Regardless of age or experience. I believe he deserves that spot above any other centre at the club simply because of the excellent form he is in at the moment. It would not unsettle the lad or be 'messing Hull KR around' because it has been stipulated in his contract that he can return to Wigan at any time from his week to week loan, providing we give Hull KR 24 hours notice. Shaun Wane and Michael MaGuire will have been telling Josh to earn a place in the Wigan side with his performances for Hull KR. Has he not earned a shot now an opportunity has arose? Liam Farrell was recalled from Widnes because he was in excellent form, and Ben Davies has also had some game time after his performances at Widnes. The same should now apply (and I'll stick my neck out and say that it will happen) with Josh Charnley and he should be recalled from Hull KR IMO.

Agreed, Pryce or Goulding would cause less disruption to the team, and that's what should come first.

But surely for the sake of two games, you'd bring in players who've already done ok in the first team this year, as opposed to bringing back a kid from a loan club in SL, where he looks fairly settled into their first team, and could stay there for the rest of the season if we played Pryce/Marsh for the next 2 games.

Why should that matter?

It all comes down to performances on the field. Josh Charnley is producing the goods. He deserves a crack. You seem to suggest that Charnley is inferior to the other two because he hasn't been training with the first team, but his performances clearly show otherwise.

I'll stop here because this will end up a ten page thread with the same points repeated. Let's agree to disagree and see what happens. The positive we can take from this is that we have the strength in depth to warrant a debate about who should be played once a player is injured.

Pryce has played one less game than Charnley in the last two weeks, for reasons explained earlier.
We don't know yet the extent of Gouldings injury, it maybe that he needs an extra week off.

Marsh scored two tries this weekend, should he not get the spot because Charnley didn't play this weekend?

Firstly, Josh Charnley is at Hull KR NOT for the benefit of Hull KR, but for Wigan RL & his development. The argument that he is getting cosy at Hull KR does not sit with me. If he's in the right sort of form & is producing the goods, and an opportunity for him to show what he can do in a Wigan shirt has come up then he should be rewarded with that shot. You do what's best for the team.

Stefan Marsh has looked a little out of his depth at Super League level in the games he has played so far. I thought he was caught out on numerous occasions by Huddersfield (how ironic - perhaps they'd target him again?) and hasn't looked as good as Charnley does at Super League level. We've had numerous thread on this board and the Hull KR board stating how well the lad is coping. Most importantly in defence. Senior in his back pocket etc etc.

Karl Pryce has never played a Super League game for Wigan RL at centre for Mike MaGuire. He hasn't played in the last two weeks so has not had the opportunity to stake a claim in the team with impressive performances. Josh Charnley has and should be rewarded for it.

If we recalled Charnley he could end up playing just the one game for us before Gleeson returns. After that he will probably have to go back to playing under 20's rugby unless he has a very good game. I don't think it would be worth recalling him for what is potentially just one game. If Gleeson looks like he will recover quickly and we need a replacement for one game then Marsh or Pryce would be favourites in my opinion. It would make more sense.

If it looks like Gleeson could miss 2 games or more then I think it might be worth it recalling Charnley, as he's likely to play 2 more games for Hull KR.

Joel for me.

Daz is doing a grand job right where he is at present so i would leave him there.

But surely it would be for the benefit of Wigan in the long term if we allowed Charnley to get a run of 5/6 games at SL, even if it as another club on loan, than bringing him back for 1 or 2 games and then being back in the u20's for the rest of the season, compared to giving one of the other first team squad members the position for 2 games until Gleesons back.

But he has not demonstrated the Super League form that Josh Charnley has. In fact, he hasn't played since the St.Helens game back in June. Nearly 7-8 weeks. In that time Josh Charnley has been in excellent form for Hull KR, demonstrating that he is capable of playing Super League on a regular basis & can cope with the demands in defence and use his speed/acceleration to cause problems in attack.



If Darrell Goulding is injured then Karl Pryce will probably get a game with Amos Roberts injured. Shaun Ainscough is not doing much to stake a claim in the side, but that point is irrelevant where this debate is concerned.



Perhaps. However see my response to Inside_Man RE Stefan Marsh. Marsh's defence in Super League does not compare to Charnley's.

I completely agree.

Charnley is at KR to improve him as a player and help Wigan in the long run.

However, I do feel that disruption of bringing him back for perhaps one game could be detrimental to the young lad.
I know they are perhaps different situations, but Ainscough has not exactly been aided by being placed at different teams throughout the season. I personally feel that stability is key for young lads.
If this was a longer term injury to Gleason then I would certainly have him back in the side. Just not at the moment.

Agree that Marsh has a bit to learn before he steps up to the first team.