Nothing to be envious of, as previously stated in another thread.

5 Super Leagues, 7 Challenge Cups and 2 World Club Challenges in the modern, fair era.

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Oh dear.........







By that token I suppose that NONE of the titles in football have ever been "fair"?


Didn't your mum tell you that LIFE isn't fair?

A favourite saying of your mob was 'stop living in the past'.

Try it.

Hahahaha. A Wigan fan talking about living in the past. Priceless.

Don't get it do you?

Daddy, why is St Helens trophy cabinet smaller and emptier than Wigans?
Because they are sh8 son

Lets talk about modern history then... Lets say from 2009, 5 seasons, that seems "Fair"....

Enlighten me oh wise one.

Well you knock the 2007 Challenge Cup win off as they cheated the cap that season: news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_l ... 577323.stm And you can knock off the 2006 Challenge Cup Win and 2006 SL Grand Final win as they cheated the cap that season as well: www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/rugbyl ... quiry.html

Well you knock the 2007 Challenge Cup win off as they cheated the cap that season: news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_l ... 577323.stm And you can knock off the 2006 Challenge Cup Win and 2006 SL Grand Final win as they cheated the cap that season as well: www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/rugbyl ... quiry.html

Quote ="MattyB"Well you knock the 2007 Challenge Cup win off as they cheated the cap that season: news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_l ... 577323.stm And you can knock off the 2006 Challenge Cup Win and 2006 SL Grand Final win as they cheated the cap that season as well: www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/rugbyl ... quiry.html'" Haha. If we take away things that took place in years of salary cap breaches then Wigan would have been relegated. And one of our breaches was to do with bonus payments made to international players. That has no bearing on us winning trophies.

Quote ="MattyB"Well you knock the 2007 Challenge Cup win off as they cheated the cap that season: news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_l ... 577323.stm And you can knock off the 2006 Challenge Cup Win and 2006 SL Grand Final win as they cheated the cap that season as well: www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/rugbyl ... quiry.html'" Haha. If we take away things that took place in years of salary cap breaches then Wigan would have been relegated. And one of our breaches was to do with bonus payments made to international players. That has no bearing on us winning trophies.

A breach is a breach and you won trophies off the back of it, therefore making these wins null and void.

Haha I suspect you know as well as I do how ridiculous that is.

Must. Try. Harder.

sounds like the St Helens Chairman at the end of each of the last 6 seasons!

I know, I still can't believe Ade Gardner got paid a bonus for playing for GB, talk about adding insult to injury

Fair era?
When some clubs were using EBT's and offshore accounts to circumvent the salary cap. And then of course clubs weren't even because some clubs were allowed to spend more than others.

Did we breach the cap?

I thought it was that massively concrete legal argument of the "spirit" (good luck to the RFL in enforcing that one if we went to court) of the cap.

Maybe Yellow Giraffe knows something that we don't?

Or maybe he IS a "Giraffe"

We all know what Wigan did in order to avoid relegation. You can hide behind terminology if you want, but you know as well as I do that you cheated to survive.

This genuinely made me laugh.

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You lot had a few hefty fines for salary cap breaches, so pot calling kettle black springs to mind.

Read the rest of the thread but you post stuff that's been talked about already. Thanks.

Careful with your language. Wigan did not "cheat". We exploited the rules to the full. Isn't that what everyone does (and should) do in professional sport?

No different to taking the full allotted time to make a conversion, or stealing an extra yard if you can get away with it.

Wigan did not break the CC. Fact.

I will give you the facts.

Wigan deferred the wages of several players e.g. Harrison Hansen so they didn't exceed the cap when signing other players.

There was at the time [unothing[/u in the rules to specifically prevent this. In Australia in the NRL it was pretty routine and this was the basis of Wigan's argument when challenged.

Castleford led the charge of indignation against this approach and indignation was all they had because Wigan were not actually breaking the cap or any rules since there weren't any to preclude deferring wages.

The RFL then used the "spirit of the cap" rule to deem Wigan had broken the rules.

Wigan were deducted points but avoided relegation. Maurice Lindsay was going to take the RFL to court over this but said given any case would only occur after the seasons end there was no point pursuing it.

I always felt it was a pity he didn't because I reckon he'd have won, the rules would have been clarified and the stupid catch all of "spirit of the cap" would have to have been removed from the rule book.

That is it in a nutshell. You might not like it but then that would simply be tough luck.

You complained that we talk about winning trophies the past, when it was "Unfair" in your view. But, when i suggested you talk about the last 5 seasons.. Nothing... Which is appropriate.