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| Quote ="wiganstu"if ever a post needs bookmarking , this is the one'"
I've already bookmarked it to have a good laugh at how terrible Finch has been all season.
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| Agree with the OP 1000%
Sam is wasted at 1
We need steady halves - sam & finch
Amos on his day is the best player in SL. But only from FB.
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| Quote ="the-Bowtun-Warrior"Agree with the OP 1000%
Sam is wasted at 1
We need steady halves - sam & finch
Amos on his day is the best player in SL. But only from FB.'"
Did you go to Huddersfield pal?
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| Quote ="grovelane"Sam just isn't up to playing FB. Poor under the high ball and, his kick return is poor and i worry every time the opposition kick the ball to him, high or not. Yes he's good a support / broken play but I think the points mentioned earlier, along with last line of defence, should be priority for a FB.
Pat is our best full back, but he's more effective on the wing.'"
He's too small to play FB which, sadly, teams have worked out. I don't understand why we'd open up our most creative player to the kind of battering a FB gets on a weekly basis.
I'd put Richards at FB and have Charnley and Goulding on the wings. We lose Pat's height on kicks to the corner, but we also cut out the bomb that teams are hurting us with. As Maguire is a defence first coach I'd hope he makes this change when Richards is fit.
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| Quote ="the-Bowtun-Warrior"Amos on his day is the best player in SL. But only from FB.'"
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| Quote ="loobyfromorrell"Did you go to Huddersfield pal?'"
Yes I did
Amos was as bad under the high ball as Sam the week before, last week and at times this week...
Oh sorry. Amos isn't blue eyed boy or a Wiganer
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| Quote ="grovelane"Sam just isn't up to playing FB. Poor under the high ball and, his kick return is poor and i worry every time the opposition kick the ball to him, high or not. Yes he's good a support / broken play but I think the points mentioned earlier, along with last line of defence, should be priority for a FB.
Pat is our best full back, but he's more effective on the wing.'"
Whilst I think Sam should be our #1 I fully disagree with some of your comments.
Sam was, apart from one error, solid under the bomb. It was a definate marked improvement from the Salford game which is all we can ask. I also think his background at HB means he's the best out of him, Pat & the flapper at linking in from deep.
A new FB & centre is a must next season. Let's get at least one world class back who has been there and done it.
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| Given we've got two of the best fullbacks ever under a a high ball currently on the coaching staff, the dropsy being displayed is shocking and needs sorting.
Extra work after training for Roberts and Tomkins.
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| Quote ="Wigan/Leeds Andy"Given we've got two of the best fullbacks ever under a a high ball currently on the coaching staff, the dropsy being displayed is shocking and needs sorting.
Extra work after training for Roberts and Tomkins.'"
That's the thing Sam HAS improved from the Salford game. He made some decent catches under pressure tonight and whilst errors are still occurring I honestly believe he's cut them in half.
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| Quote ="Dave Lister"I've already bookmarked it to have a good laugh at how terrible Finch has been all season.'"
please be sure to have the good grace to come back so we dont have to look for you ~~~??
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| I'd move Sam back to 6 if for no other reason then to get him out of the firing line when running kicks back. He's being targeted by opposition defences who seem able to get away with various acts of foul play against him yet he's being watched like a hawk if he dares stick up for himself.
Lets get him some more ball closer to the action and lets get him running our team. His kicking out of hand when given the opportunity looks to have improved and he's as lively as ever running the ball.
He's a good option to have as a fullback in certain games but at the moment we need him in the halfs.
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| Quote ="Wigan/Leeds Andy"Given we've got two of the best fullbacks ever under a a high ball currently on the coaching staff, the dropsy being displayed is shocking and needs sorting.
Extra work after training for Roberts and Tomkins.'"
And Leuluai! How many kickoffs is that he's dropped, under no pressure?
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| Sam at 6, end of. He is no longer dangerous at 1.
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| Quote ="Wigan/Leeds Andy"Given we've got two of the best fullbacks ever under a a high ball currently on the coaching staff, the dropsy being displayed is shocking and needs sorting.
Extra work after training for Roberts and Tomkins.'"
Yes, but that doesn't mean that the knowledge they posses and attempt to pass on is automatically absorbed by the trainees. If that were the case then any Wigan player could be brought up to their level.
A lot of it is natural ability, like Sam's side step.
I agree that training could improve them but they will never be as good as the two teachers.
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| Quote ="proper-shaped-balls"Yes, but that doesn't mean that the knowledge they posses and attempt to pass on is automatically absorbed by the trainees. If that were the case then any Wigan player could be brought up to their level.
A lot of it is natural ability, like Sam's side step.
I agree that training could improve them but they will never be as good as the two teachers.'"
Agreed, but I still think their technique when trying to catch the ball in traffic is not helping at the moment. Hampson technique of jumping high, with a raised knee (as protection) as he caught it is something that could be used more.
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| Quote ="Odemwingie"Sam at 6, end of. He is no longer dangerous at 1.'"
I hope you are being sarcastic.
Sam was the best player on the park tonight and the fact we got a draw was down to his running from the fullback position.
Watch again how we got into position for that last penalty and almost the try. There is not another fullback in this country could have done that for us.
I walked away from the ground with a Leeds spectator and I asked him about Tomkins. "Bloody hate him, but I wish he was at Leeds" he said.
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"I hope you are being sarcastic.
Sam was the best player on the park tonight and the fact we got a draw was down to his running from the fullback position.
Watch again how we got into position for that last penalty and almost the try. There is not another fullback in this country could have done that for us.
I walked away from the ground with a Leeds spectator and I asked him about Tomkins. "Bloody hate him, but I wish he was at Leeds" he said.'"
He's a huge threat from 1 but i'd play him at 6 for a while. He's getting so much flak from opposition defences taking the ball out from his line and i'd just move him away from that until it all dies down.
He's been kicking well the last couple of weeks aswell and he can do no worse then Tommy if he takes on more responsibility.
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"I hope you are being sarcastic.
Sam was the best player on the park tonight and the fact we got a draw was down to his running from the fullback position.
Watch again how we got into position for that last penalty and almost the try. There is not another fullback in this country could have done that for us.
I walked away from the ground with a Leeds spectator and I asked him about Tomkins. "Bloody hate him, but I wish he was at Leeds" he said.'"
Appart from that he doesn't have the space. The leeds defence gave him the space, however that was the only time we were putting it wide so who knows.
He would be better used running from the same position in attack like you say but on kick returns and catching he is poor.
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| as a wire fan i think sam is wasted at FB for you guys, there is the potential for him to score an amazing try at FB after catching a kick if the chase isnt up to much and he is running at a broken line which is where he is best.
but if you consider internationally, he will never play FB for england, over widdop who impressed greatly in the internationals last season, without regular games at half back how could he be put in there over form players in the SL. at the moment, it only seems to be myler who is doing the job at HB out of the english players, but once robinson, brown and pryce hit form you couldnt really justify playing sam at HB
i think sam is more of an opportunity player, from what i have seen he doesnt seem to be able to organise an attack very well, i may be wrong.
a player of his talent needs to be played at his best position, for me FB is not that, however i do kind of hope he plays the rest of the season there lol
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| Quote ="gazmeister_89"as a wire fan i think sam is wasted at FB for you guys, there is the potential for him to score an amazing try at FB after catching a kick if the chase isnt up to much and he is running at a broken line which is where he is best.
but if you consider internationally, he will never play FB for england, over widdop who impressed greatly in the internationals last season, without regular games at half back how could he be put in there over form players in the SL. at the moment, it only seems to be myler who is doing the job at HB out of the english players, but once robinson, brown and pryce hit form you couldnt really justify playing sam at HB
i think sam is more of an opportunity player, from what i have seen he doesnt seem to be able to organise an attack very well, i may be wrong.
a player of his talent needs to be played at his best position, for me FB is not that, however i do kind of hope he plays the rest of the season there lol'"
The main 2 things I picked out of that were-
1-Widdop didn't really impress for England last season. He had a good debut against France and then a few dodgby moments in the four nations and got dropped. He's also playing at 6 for Melbourne now so I don't see why he'd be swapped around with Sam on the international scene.
2- Myler is the inform English halfback? Really? I've seen Wire a few times and haven't really noticed him. He's supported a couple of breaks and against us bar an intercept try I hardly realised he was on the field. He'd be behind Brough, McGuire, Pryce, S Tomkins, Lomax, Gale, Brown and Robinson in my pecking order unless he adds some more qualities to his game outside of half decent support play.
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| I thought everyone was creaming themselves about Sam playing at 1? And the it was the right decision at the start of the season for him to be given the 1 shirt? And also at FB he can come into the attacking line whenever he wants? Or did I dream most people saying all this on here...
Now people are saying he is never a FB...
Dear me!
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| Quote ="NickyKiss"The main 2 things I picked out of that were-
1-Widdop didn't really impress for England last season. He had a good debut against France and then a few dodgby moments in the four nations and got dropped. He's also playing at 6 for Melbourne now so I don't see why he'd be swapped around with Sam on the international scene.
=#FF00402- Myler is the inform English halfback? Really? I've seen Wire a few times and haven't really noticed him. He's supported a couple of breaks and against us bar an intercept try I hardly realised he was on the field. He'd be behind Brough, McGuire, Pryce, S Tomkins, Lomax, Gale, Brown and Robinson in my pecking order unless he adds some more qualities to his game outside of half decent support play.'"
Myler is not the kind of player who can take a game by the scruff of the neck against the aussies and win games for us.
Long
Sculthorpe
Pryce
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All quality half-backs struggled to do it and Myler wouldn't have a chance. Not that kind of player. Smith has found a job for him at wire and he is doing it.
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| Quote ="XBrettKennyX"Amos?
We would be better off with Amos from Emerdale farm.....
I said the guy was trash from day 1 and have seen VERY little evidence to suggest otherwise since.
Maybe JonH would like to come on here and tell me exactly why he is great?'"
Maybe 'Mr Wilkes' could play centre as well!
Roberts looks uninterested. I know he has had a bad injury, so play him in the u20's to get his confidence back. Finch is at a similar point but at least he has effort and desire(and he put in some big defence as well)
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"I hope you are being sarcastic.
Sam was the best player on the park tonight and the fact we got a draw was down to his running from the fullback position.
Watch again how we got into position for that last penalty and almost the try. There is not another fullback in this country could have done that for us.
I walked away from the ground with a Leeds spectator and I asked him about Tomkins. "Bloody hate him, but I wish he was at Leeds" he said.'"
I think Sam could dominate the game from 6.
IMO he's already the best HB in SL and I've always said I'd rather see a world class 6 than fb in the side. I'd take a Trent, Edwards or Kenny over a Radders any day of the week as a 6 has more influence in the game. I also think a top class HB is a rarity in SL and that's what Sam is.
That's not to say I don't think he's far and away the best full back at the club or that's he's not been playing well there.
I just want to see him at FB with more time on the ball taking it by the scruff of the neck by kicking 40/20's or by skinning forwards down the middle of the pitch and going under the sticks.
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| I think Sam is being nullified because our back play has been so poor in the last few weeks. The ball isn't making it to 3rd reciever and if it is it's really slow and allowing defences to move up and smother him. He's our biggest threat with ball in hand and when our halfback combination is playing well and giving him the ball in space he will be devastating but at the moment that isn't what's happening
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