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| Quote ="Pemps":j3kyec05Even if IL confirms it in his opening notes, I'll pretty much guarantee 3 people will ask the question. It seems some people go with the intention of speaking even when their points have been covered over and over again.
These things are pretty much a PR exercise and ground rules are set out from the off about what can and can't be asked but with the addition of some inane questioning they can become quite tedious affairs for me.'" :j3kyec05
Especially when you see quotes like:
Quote :j3kyec05Wigan are on the lookout for a coach :j3kyec05after Michael Maguire enacted a clause in his contract:j3kyec05 that allowed him to join South Sydney next season.'" :j3kyec05
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| the only question i feel is important is
how many weetabix do lima, hoffman and finch eat?
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| The announcements are obvious
Shaun wane is the new head coach at wigan ( he has definately been offered the job)
Gareth hock has signed a 5 year contract
They will be the two major announcements on or before that date
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| it was my understanding that Hock can't sign anything until his ban expires? Or am i wrong?
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"Things I'd like to see addressed.
1) The club shop in the Grand Arcade. Are we getting decent returns on that investment.
2) Has the Stadium been signed over to Wigan Athletic, and if so are there any repercussions for Wigan RL.
3) What has happened to youth recruitment? The U18's look particularly weak this year. Do we need to expand our scouting systems to look at other young sportsmen. i.e Athletics, basketball, football, Athletics etc.'"
To be honest I don't know why IL has a FF if (judging by some of the contributors) a number of fans turn up and ask innane questions. At the end of the day its all about the performance on the pitch,which to be frank has been very good so far. Almost all of us are paying customers and not shareholders so why do we need to know if we are getting a good return on the shop? If its making a return then great, if not the Board will make a decision on keeping it open or closing it. The issue of the ground share is also an issue for the Board. Does anyone think that IL is stupid enough not to protect his investment in Wigan and not have got legally binding assurances on the issue of the stadium?. As another contributor said, the issue of the youngsters has been addressed by ML. At the moment they are not coming through but they will. its part of the cycle.
Sometimes I think we need to be told less rather than more and the Gleeson episode was a case in point.
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| Will there be a hot pot supper?
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| Quote ="Billy`s Cat"To be honest I don't know why IL has a FF if (judging by some of the contributors) a number of fans turn up and ask innane questions. At the end of the day its all about the performance on the pitch,which to be frank has been very good so far. Almost all of us are paying customers and not shareholders so why do we need to know if we are getting a good return on the shop? If its making a return then great, if not the Board will make a decision on keeping it open or closing it. The issue of the ground share is also an issue for the Board. Does anyone think that IL is stupid enough not to protect his investment in Wigan and not have got legally binding assurances on the issue of the stadium?. As another contributor said, the issue of the youngsters has been addressed by ML. At the moment they are not coming through but they will. its part of the cycle.
Sometimes I think we need to be told less rather than more and the Gleeson episode was a case in point.'"
Whether you like it or not, it's not =#FF0000all about performance on the pitch. The club is a business, and has to be run as such.
There's more to the youngsters coming through than they are not good enough. Wigan have been outbid for quite a number to my knowledge.
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| Quote ="onedego"it was my understanding that Hock can't sign anything until his ban expires? Or am i wrong?'"
He can't officially sign, but the fact he's back training with the Club ought to leave no-one in any doubt as to what he'll be doing at 9am on the 23rd June 2011.
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"Whether you like it or not, it's not =#FF0000all about performance on the pitch. The club is a business, and has to be run as such.
There's more to the youngsters coming through than they are not good enough. Wigan have been outbid for quite a number to my knowledge.'"
The fans are ultimately interested in performance on the pitch and that's what really counts with all sports teams. Good performance means that good players are attracted to the club. Of course the Board run the club as a business for the benefit of the shareholders under proper (we hope) financial and other corporate governance procedures. IL has got his head screwed on and the backroom team and set up is as good as it has been in years. If youngsters go elsewhere, then so be it, it is a free market and their career is a short one.
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"Whether you like it or not, it's not =#FF0000all about performance on the pitch. The club is a business, and has to be run as such.
There's more to the youngsters coming through than they are not good enough. Wigan have been outbid for quite a number to my knowledge.'"
Its wht certain players are at wire i cant name names for legal reasons but it was the backlash of mls setup with wages in the past think thats ok now but some are still going wire more money still there somehow.
Partly to do with studies too wigan want them as ft players sooner apparently so they choose another team.
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| Been a bit slow getting a ticket for this, has it sold out yet?
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"Whether you like it or not, it's not =#FF0000all about performance on the pitch. The club is a business, and has to be run as such.
There's more to the youngsters coming through than they are not good enough. Wigan have been outbid for quite a number to my knowledge.'"
Interesting point...however not sure its how all clubs look at things....Simon Moran at wire for example has demonstrated he is prepared to back the team out of his own pocket.... beyond the operating income of the club.
I know IL has done this too...to some extent...but his philosophy is very much centred around the principle that the club should be run as a business with the P&L account driving the decisions.
It's a sport, and whilst he is custodian of our great club I expect him to invest perosnally, or source backers to help out.. when needed.
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| Quote ="Giz"Interesting point...however not sure its how all clubs look at things....Simon Moran at wire for example has demonstrated he is prepared to back the team out of his own pocket.... beyond the operating income of the club.
I know IL has done this too...to some extent...but his philosophy is very much centred around the principle that the club should be run as a business with the P&L account driving the decisions.
It's a sport, and whilst he is custodian of our great club I expect him to invest perosnally, or source backers to help out.. when needed.'"
hes put millions in as he bought the club
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| Quote ="Pieman"hes put millions in as he bought the club'"
You miss the point.
He bought the club..so he now owns the asset that is wigan rl.
We're talking about the operation of the club on a day to day / year on year basis. There are times when the owner / chairman has to invest out of his own pocket because the operating income won't always cover costs which need to be incurred .. be it to buy young players or talented coaching staff.
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| They should just have a trapdoor under every seat and anybody who asks a pontless question or one that has already been asked, bye bye
Lets hope theres plenty decent questions that get answered.
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| Quote ="Giz"You miss the point.
He bought the club..so he now owns the asset that is wigan rl.
We're talking about the operation of the club on a day to day / year on year basis. There are times when the owner / chairman has to invest out of his own pocket because the operating income won't always cover costs which need to be incurred .. be it to buy young players or talented coaching staff.'"
he also bought gleeson out of his own pocket and paid the losses for the year before last.
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| This may have been raised already (so apologies if it has) but I think we should be asking if there is any concrete evidence Madge is tapping up our players for the Rabbitohs and has IFL got any commitment fromm Madge not to do so. Given IFL agreed to release Madge from his final year of his contract I think this would be the least we could expect.
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| Quote ="Giz"Interesting point...however not sure its how all clubs look at things....Simon Moran at wire for example has demonstrated he is prepared to back the team out of his own pocket.... beyond the operating income of the club.
I know IL has done this too...to some extent...but his philosophy is very much centred around the principle that the club should be run as a business with the P&L account driving the decisions.
It's a sport, and whilst he is custodian of our great club I expect him to invest perosnally, or source backers to help out.. when needed.'"
surely this is against the spirit of the cap?
does it count on the cap?
or is this a massive loophole that is going to be exploited more and more by certain clubs to get ahead?
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| Quote ="Giz"You miss the point.
He bought the club..so he now owns the asset that is wigan rl.
We're talking about the operation of the club on a day to day / year on year basis. There are times when the owner / chairman has to invest out of his own pocket because the operating income won't always cover costs which need to be incurred .. be it to buy young players or talented coaching staff.'"
What evidence have you got that he's not doing this, or that Simon Moran is doing it any more than IL is?
It amazes me that because IL has a reputation for being a tough businessman, there's an assumption - and it can only be an assumption, because we haven't got access to his books - that he won't spend an extra quid or two when it's needed.
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| Quote ="truewiganer"surely this is against the spirit of the cap?
does it count on the cap?
or is this a massive loophole that is going to be exploited more and more by certain clubs to get ahead?'"
Transfer fees don't count on the cap. Only players wages count.
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| Quote ="Pemps"Transfer fees don't count on the cap. Only players wages count.'"
apologies i was under the impression that he was paying the players wages too
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| Quote ="truewiganer"apologies i was under the impression that he was paying the players wages too'"
he might be. If wire bring in 1.3 mill he cap pay the rest of the cap out of his own pocket to help them reach the whole cap.
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| Quote ="Pieman"he might be. If wire bring in 1.3 mill he cap pay the rest of the cap out of his own pocket to help them reach the whole cap.'"
thats well out of order, cos i thought that there was another caveat to the sc that they could only spend a max of 50% of their income on wages now surely that income should be proper income not out of the chairman's back pocket? and (if my maths are correct, n i wasnt much good at that at school) he would have to put double in for them to be able to use that extra to pay for wages? either way thats not in the spirit of the cap, and prob should be at least looked at,
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| Quote ="truewiganer"thats well out of order, [ucos i thought that there was another caveat to the sc that they could only spend a max of 50% of their income on wages [/unow surely that income should be proper income not out of the chairman's back pocket? and (if my maths are correct, n i wasnt much good at that at school) he would have to put double in for them to be able to use that extra to pay for wages? either way thats not in the spirit of the cap, and prob should be at least looked at,'"
that was abolished, if it was enforced Quins, Wakey and Crusaders would not have gone under
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| fair plays, that was the only thing i though good about the sc.
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