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| Quote ="post"A good film to watch that would explain this is called Concussion with Will Smith.
It explains that every time you get a concussion you have very small bleeds on the brain, if you get another knock soon after it’s that knock that causes brain damage as the brain is fragile. Watch the film, I didn’t understand it before that.'"
I get the medical aspects of it, im just wondering why there are not any cases of ex RL players with brain damage since this rule is is fairly recent. |
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Quote ="The_Enforcer"I get the medical aspects of it, im just wondering why there are not any cases of ex RL players with brain damage since this rule is is fairly recent.'"
On issue is that some of the brain damage can only be seen post mortem and those tests were rarely carried out in the past. There are frequent references to ex-players exhibiting behaviour that we might recognise as being consistent with brain trauma injuries who have been simply been labelled as being mad/bad. It would be useful to run all professional players through the MRI scanner to see if damage was taking place.
At the moment there are 4500 ex-American footballers suing the NFL. In that game one college player was measured as suffering the equivalent of 60plus 30 mph car crashes in a single game. I imagine that the stress is not so severe in Rugby League but we need to be aware of what the cumulative damage is over a career of maybe 20 years.
It was interesting to see a player sent off this morning for a tackle on Owen Farrell in the Rugby Union and showed how they are trying to reduce the level of trauma. Those who bemoan the softness of modern rugby union/league should perhaps have a look at this video
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Quote ="The_Enforcer"I get the medical aspects of it, im just wondering why there are not any cases of ex RL players with brain damage since this rule is is fairly recent.'"
On issue is that some of the brain damage can only be seen post mortem and those tests were rarely carried out in the past. There are frequent references to ex-players exhibiting behaviour that we might recognise as being consistent with brain trauma injuries who have been simply been labelled as being mad/bad. It would be useful to run all professional players through the MRI scanner to see if damage was taking place.
At the moment there are 4500 ex-American footballers suing the NFL. In that game one college player was measured as suffering the equivalent of 60plus 30 mph car crashes in a single game. I imagine that the stress is not so severe in Rugby League but we need to be aware of what the cumulative damage is over a career of maybe 20 years.
It was interesting to see a player sent off this morning for a tackle on Owen Farrell in the Rugby Union and showed how they are trying to reduce the level of trauma. Those who bemoan the softness of modern rugby union/league should perhaps have a look at this video
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| Quote ="The_Enforcer"I get the medical aspects of it, im just wondering why there are not any cases of ex RL players with brain damage since this rule is is fairly recent.'"
I think only time will tell and when the lawyers come sniffing around in 10/20/30 years time the RFL cam say ‘As soon as we were made aware of CTE and he dangers of sequential concussions, we put these steps into place to prevent it’.
I’ve played rugby, football and boxed and heading a football and getting punched in the head are worse than anything I got in rugby apart from clash of heads a couple of times throughout the years.
Heading a football and getting punched in the head happens a lot more in those sports including training. I’d say both were worse for the noggin than rugby. |
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| Quote ="post"I think only time will tell and when the lawyers come sniffing around in 10/20/30 years time the RFL cam say ‘As soon as we were made aware of CTE and he dangers of sequential concussions, we put these steps into place to prevent it’.
I’ve played rugby, football and boxed and heading a football and getting punched in the head are worse than anything I got in rugby apart from clash of heads a couple of times throughout the years.
Heading a football and getting punched in the head happens a lot more in those sports including training. I’d say both were worse for the noggin than rugby.'"
I’ve been knocked out cold playing rugby 4 times in 25yrs of playing prop forward - I tended to put my head in places it shouldn’t go - and predictably ended up with concussion on each occasion. This was back in the days of shoving smelling salts up your nostril or throwing cold water over you to wake you up, quick jog to warm up and back on again.
I didn’t know the risks, not many did. It’s possible I may well suffer myself in years to come. I bloody well hope not but the more we can do now to alleviate any risks to the players the better. |
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I can imagine some of our younger players having that edge to them, they aren't used to losing games in a Wigan shirt even if it's been at academy level.
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| Quote ="The_Enforcer"Looks terrible to me.
Budgy is finished as a top class winger. He has become lazy, looks lethargic, runs sideways more than forwards and has lost his speed which was what made him a great winger. He should be nowhere near the team once Manfredi and Davies are fit.'"
I think he needs a kick up the backside and also needs to get his head in gear as to what he actually wants as a professional rugby league player. His head was turned and off he went to the NRL. He couldn’t cut it there because he hadn’t the experience. He went two or three years before he should have done. He has lost a bit of speed but is still pretty quick. No way should he be finished at the top. He requires a coach who can motivate him and the rest is up to him. |
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| Quote ="Darwen Warrior"I think he needs a kick up the backside and also needs to get his head in gear as to what he actually wants as a professional rugby league player. His head was turned and off he went to the NRL. He couldn’t cut it there because he hadn’t the experience. He went two or three years before he should have done. He has lost a bit of speed but is still pretty quick. No way should he be finished at the top. He requires a coach who can motivate him and the rest is up to him.'"
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With Toronto reaching SL they will no doubt be looking to strengthen prior to the start of the season.
I wonder if IL will be looking to move on any of our players during the off season?
Escare, Budgie maybe?
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| Quote ="MattyB"With Toronto reaching SL they will no doubt be looking to strengthen prior to the start of the season.
I wonder if IL will be looking to move on any of our players during the off season?
Escare, Budgie maybe?'"
Both of these plus Clubb, Flower & Navarette would be decent signings for Toronto. I’m sure if they asked nicely, most Wigan fans would have a whip around for the flight cost, to get them off the books. |
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| Quote ="MattyB"With Toronto reaching SL they will no doubt be looking to strengthen prior to the start of the season.
I wonder if IL will be looking to move on any of our players during the off season?
Escare, Budgie maybe?'"
I think Budgies problem is between his ears, a good coach would get him back to his best, his problem isn’t physical it’s mental. |
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| Quote ="Wigg'n"More rubbish.'"
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| Quote ="The_Enforcer"I get the medical aspects of it, im just wondering why there are not any cases of ex RL players with brain damage since this rule is is fairly recent.'"
Because of the increased fitness/muscle mass of players these days i would suspect that the collision speed/impacts are harder. Plus with us now living in a blame/claim culture people are more worried about such cliams.
Just a thought. |
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| Quote ="MOUSE13"Because of the increased fitness/muscle mass of players these days i would suspect that the collision speed/impacts are harder. Plus with us now living in a blame/claim culture people are more worried about such cliams.
Just a thought.'"
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The Joe Burgess and Clubb re-signings are criminal IMO.
Ever since he said “he’d like another crack at the NRL” we should have been trying to move Burgess on. Shadow of the player he was at 19.
If we lose Davies to Leeds but keep burgess for a year that would be criminal.
Clubb looks finished.
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| Quote ="MOUSE13"Because of the increased fitness/muscle mass of players these days i would suspect that the collision speed/impacts are harder. Plus with us now living in a blame/claim culture people are more worried about such cliams.
Just a thought.'"
But we have taken away shoulder charges which were regularly used to knock an opposition player to kingdom come. The game has never been more sterile IMO.
Is it time RL players were forced to wear helmets like the NRL? |
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| Quote ="The_Enforcer"But we have taken away shoulder charges which were regularly used to knock an opposition player to kingdom come. The game has never been more sterile IMO.
Is it time RL players were forced to wear helmets like the NRL?'"
It could well come to helmets in the end..once a lawyer gets a case together than games such as rugby are very much in the firing line,sterile it may be but it’s the future,our blame everyone else culture you have to thank for it too. |
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| Quote ="The_Enforcer"Quote ="MOUSE13"Because of the increased fitness/muscle mass of players these days i would suspect that the collision speed/impacts are harder. Plus with us now living in a blame/claim culture people are more worried about such cliams.
Just a thought.'"
But we have taken away shoulder charges which were regularly used to knock an opposition player to kingdom come. The game has never been more sterile IMO.
Is it time RL players were forced to wear helmets like the NRL?'"
Not sure if you're a troll or just chatting BS because of 'bro science' syndrome.
If you'd read any of the research on CTE in sport (especially the stuff related to the NFL) then you'd realise the helmets provide no protection from concussions.
Why engage or bring up a topic if you haven't read up on the science behind it? |
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A player in the NFL (think it was a Raiders player) was banned for the year last week for a helmet to helmet tackle and a QB got knocked out cold last night after another helmet to helmet clash.
Who knows, they might look at getting rid of helmets at this rate.
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Quote ="apollosghost"A player in the NFL (think it was a Raiders player) was banned for the year last week for a helmet to helmet tackle and a QB got knocked out cold last night after another helmet to helmet clash.
Who knows, they might look at getting rid of helmets at this rate.'"
Vontaze Burfict
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Quote ="apollosghost"A player in the NFL (think it was a Raiders player) was banned for the year last week for a helmet to helmet tackle and a QB got knocked out cold last night after another helmet to helmet clash.
Who knows, they might look at getting rid of helmets at this rate.'"
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| Quote ="sergeant pepper"Not sure if you're a troll or just chatting BS because of 'bro science' syndrome.
If you'd read any of the research on CTE in sport (especially the stuff related to the NFL) then you'd realise the helmets provide no protection from concussions.
Why engage or bring up a topic if you haven't read up on the science behind it?'"
I am trying to discuss the subject and asking questions. Is that ok or do i need a special license from you and your clique?
At no point have i tried to pretend to be an expert and im pretty sure you are not an expert either. |
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| Quote ="hengirl"It could well come to helmets in the end..once a lawyer gets a case together than games such as rugby are very much in the firing line,sterile it may be but it’s the future,our blame everyone else culture you have to thank for it too.'"
Well i mean the NRL wear helmets and you have to wear an helmet on a motorbike so i am guessing that they do offer some protection from head injuries. I know i would rather clash heads with somebody with an helmet on rather than no helmet. |
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| Quote ="apollosghost"A player in the NFL (think it was a Raiders player) was banned for the year last week for a helmet to helmet tackle and a QB got knocked out cold last night after another helmet to helmet clash.
Who knows, they might look at getting rid of helmets at this rate.'"
Perhaps a redesign of the helmets to have soft padding on the outside to cushion the impact? |
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| Quote ="The_Enforcer"Perhaps a redesign of the helmets to have soft padding on the outside to cushion the impact?'"
So far above my pay grade it's untrue, they were just two awful impacts.
It was the Pittsburgh QB last night, he was out cold before he hit the floor, imagine a boxer catching someone on the sweet spot and that's what it looked like.
The Raiders player last week was lunacy, check the video above, no surprise he's been kicked out for the season (without pay as well). |
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| Quote ="apollosghost"So far above my pay grade it's untrue, they were just two awful impacts.
It was the Pittsburgh QB last night, he was out cold before he hit the floor, imagine a boxer catching someone on the sweet spot and that's what it looked like.
The Raiders player last week was lunacy, check the video above, no surprise he's been kicked out for the season (without pay as well).'"
When people say knocked out before they hit the floor, you are knocked out the moment your brain jolts. If someone gets hit and isn’t knocked out before they hit the floor then they’re not knocked out, they’re pretending, probably footballers. |
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What side of the field does harry rushton play? Everytime I’ve seen him he’s been a real handful and could be the answer to our right second row problems
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