You’re way in front of Wire as well and will clean up all three trophies with little fuss. A sad indication of the leagues strength because you’re good but not great and have some players who the Saints sides of the late 90’s and early 00’s would’ve laughed at.

The league this season is basically-

Saints











Wire



The rest

But they are beatable. Catalans and London have proved that.

Saints are on cruise control this time of year every season. The only reason they are swaggering (more than usual) is the absence of Shaun Wane.

I still fancy Wigan to scrap our way into the top 5 and do some damage in September. Purely because the rest of the league is garbage and we still have players with championship pedigree.

I wouldn't say we are swaggering as such just fairly happy that we playing some entertaining stuff with quite a few decent performances. The only thing we are doing is winding up the Wire Fans who every year think there team is better than sliced bread, we are not doing much banter with your lot this season because of your lowly position, however I have warned our own fans that mid table teams are knocking each other about and there are plenty of games for Wigan to get into the top 5.

Saints are far and away the best team in Super League this season and would expect them to win trophies this year.Their loss to Catalan was Mainly down to the terrible weather conditions which didn’t suit their fast open playing style.As for the London loss well who can blame them for leaving out five players mid season for a game being played on a “plastic “pitch.Holbrook is an excellent coach who is a credit to the Club and to Super League.
I agree with other posters in respect of the current low quality of the League but do not buy into the idea that Warrington are way ahead of everyone else apart from Saints.Take out Ratchford and Austin and they are rudderless and all that is left is a touch of thuggery.That won’t work against Hull in the Cup Semi and I hope and expect Saints to be facing Hull in the final.

Yep Warrington are only a nudge better than the pack below them and I include us in that. I don’t think one team will clean-sweep the trophies and I also have a feeling one of Saints and Wire will miss out on the GF.

Can’t see us making OT this year but I think we could shake things up for sure.

The equivalent?! That’s funny. Walmsley alone is better than all of those players put together.

Welcome back.

I bet he's not poseted 5 times on here in the last 5 years

Nice to see that your ban has been lifted...

I don’t post much - mainly read since having kids.

But I take it back - the likes of Davies and Flower are the equivalent of the lads we rested last week.

Six weeks back when they were both garbage I told my my saints fan pal “The Butcher” that I hadn’t written Dull and Pies off this season for silverwear.
Both are still in the running

We’ve heard these kind of BS statements every year for the last few, and I seem to recall all those players inferior players dancing round Old Trafford while Walmsley was on holiday

How many grand finals, challenge cups or MOS's between them, oh and by the way I'm including hardaker, Greenwood and manfredi along with Davies and Flower.
And BTW, I bet flower and hardaker have more each.

Putting that aside, have you ever stopped to wonder how these Saints fans who have been missing for years are suddenly turning up and how they got so knowledgeable on rugby league all of a sudden?
The team you support are currently doing quite well at the moment, it doesn't mean any of you know any more than you did for the last 5 years.

Agree, he’s rubbish.

To be fair, hes not the ine calling multiple grand final and challenge cup winners rubbish is he?

To be fair it’s not surprising to see St Helens fans commenting on a thread about St Helens.

They should be odds on for obvious reasons. I have a feeling they’ll get 2/3 but miss out on the big one.

Don’t worry - the players listed are definitely the equivalent standard as the saints players rested.

Didn’t realise it was such a controversial position to take, my apologies.

Course he is mate. Now go and have a lie down while Manfredi, Hardaker, Flower, Greenwood, Davis etc Cound their multiple Grand Final and Challenge Cup medals. Remind me again how many Walmsley has? He must have amassed a fair number, being better than all those multiple medal winners put together and having played in basically this same 'unbeatable' Saints side last year... not to mention MOS Ben Barba! Bet the guy can barely walk as he's weighed down by all that silverware.



Back on planet earth for a moment; Walmsley is class when fit and firing. But then so is Manfredi. So is Hardaker. So is Greenwood. To suggest Walmsley is better than all 3 put together (let alone the others) is complete and utter nonsense.

Your equivalents (regardless of your perceived relative merits of them as individual players) would be your first choice fullback, both wingers, main 2nd row and 1 of your starting props. Seeing the point being made was you would struggle without those, plus several other absentees, are you telling me you wouldn't? London would give you an argument.

Selective much?

Couldn't agree more, mate. I'd be as surprised as anyone if Saints don't lift the big one this year. My point was merely about counting chickens really. In fact we heard all last year how Saints were going to sweep all before them. All it took that year was the loss of form of one player (Barba) for the whole house of cards to come crashing down. As you say lose 3 or 4 to injury at the end of the season and the picture is suddenly completely different.

That said I can understand your optimism. I'm sure it was the same prior to the play off game at LP where we comprehensively ripped you a new one on the way to becoming champions*.



*apologies. Couldn't resist.

Its simple why we look unbeatable. We have a half decent team. The rest of SL is absolutely dire. Whilst we are on the Wigan forum, lets take them for example. How on earth a club operating at full cap can put together such an abysmal squad is beyond me. Even the 75-0 team was better on paper than this.

This Saints team would be no where near challenging in SL 10 years ago.

We are just lucky this year that the rest of SL are so bad.

-Well coached
-clearly know all structures in attack and defence
-2 running halves and a creative 9 who can take on the line as well as pass and create
-best front row in SL which can make the hard yards (Walms/Roby/Richardson)
-A FB who is good at reading the game in attack and defence, often links in the like as a second pivot or knows when to follow the attack done the middle.
-fast outside backs who can finish.

BUT, it's June, they look good, but have won naff all as of yet.

In comparison to us...

-Poorly coached
-players look to not know the attacking structures (often look clueless in attack) weak in defence
-poor uncreative halves, Williams has his moments but that's about it
-front row who collectively often produce embarrassing meter stats per game
-A FB (Hardaker) who is fantastic defensively but isn't a FB who links out wide as a second pivot (something which we've often been dependent on with Sam Tomkins)

All of the above + a steely determination to defend (particularly on the goal line) which seems to have got much worse for us this season

You got the feeling that they had a total disregard for their own safety they way they defended at times over the past few years, and teams were a bit wary of it. Not seeing much of that now (certainly over an extended period)

I was actually shocked that to read that we have the 3rd best defense in the league!

I don't think many people would disagree that we've cr@p defensively either.

If we could get the attack something like (4th worst the league) then we'd be leading the charge for 4th/5th imo.