Well I'm really enjoying seeing the Treble winners having a bad time of it. I'm also happy with Saints and Huddersfield struggling. Not so happy that Wire are looking really strong though.
The standard of SL is getting worse, but I remember 2006, the 74-0 and 75-0 thrashings, and nobody else's fans cried too many tears for us then.

"Danny....Danny, it doesn't matter what you think.....the rugby gods have decided"





Garbage! Cas are on for 50+ here!

I do feel for the few leeds fans that arent t1ts as i know what it was like for us back in 06 but i must admit i am absolutely LOVING leeds' season so far

Cas have been unreal tonight to be fair.

As bad as Leeds have been, I can definitely see them turning it on against us at Magic.

This season is actually turning into a farce for them. Every week i think, 'they will be back this week' but they keep getting WORSE. Could Leeds be Leicester City in reverse for probably the most sensational story in RL history (or one of them)

They can't beat a SL team. If they get Hull KR, Salford and Hudds in the middle 8s Salford and Hudds are more than capable of beating them and Hull KR have already won at Headingley, couple that with Bradford getting a couple of good results in the middle 8s and we could just be seeing a million pound game at Odsal between Bradford and Leeds, Or at Leigh. Crazy stuff

At least there is no longer any mystery about why the Aussies have never tried to sign Kallum Watkins.

You say that but I have a feeling we won't get four points from them in our two games.

Cas were superb tonight, halfbacks were unreal. Think we would have struggled against them personally.

Leeds missed a ridiculous amount of tackles and their structures were all over the place. No leadership in defence or attack since Sinfield and Peacock left. We won't miss that many tackles against Cas so hopefully we won't lose by 40 points

Leeds are really struggling and with guys like McGuire, Burrow and JJB on the back street of their careers it's tough to see them turning it around to the pony of consistently winning things for a little while.

That Cas cup game looks an even bigger test now though.

The good thing is thats quite some time off yet, plenty time for us to come into some form. They did look good, but my god Leeds were shocking!

After watching tonights game between Leeds and Castleford I wondered what was going on! Sinfield and Peacock retire and the ENTIRE team seems clueless! they lost by 50 points at Widnes and 50 points and could have been 60 points at home TO Cas I think the team cannot be bothered playing this year. I noticed there training ground got flooded last Christmas but that must be a bad excuse.

Credit is due to their support though, over 17k for a Thursday night tv game is excellent.

I agree. We saw our crowds rise in 2006 when we were rock-bottom (record breaking season average 16,500 IIRC) but that was helped by a Brian Noble led team that galvanised and started winning games from about June onwards.

Cas did look good and if they maintain that form we are going to find it hard to get past them in the Cup. Sets up another great contest in prospect! Gale very good.

Frisky trolling viewtopic.php?f=17&t=595126

Frisky trolling viewtopic.php?f=17&t=595126

I'm sure this will get merged with the Leeds thread.

The simplistic answer is a combination of factors (influential players leaving, disruption due to the loss of the training ground and injuries) has led to a severe loss of confidence which is very difficult to get back. Without confidence and self belief you need a minor miracle to win a game.

We went through this in '06 when a change of coach and a couple of new players was needed to shift the focus and get some confidence back.

But our downfall had been on the cards for some time in 2006. We had an owner with no interest and a part-time chairman, who habitually got his salary cap calculations wrong. All through the early 2000s there was an atmosphere of malaise at Wigan. Murrayfield in 2002 was the last hurrah of the great 1990s side. After that it was all downhill until we very nearly ceased to exist (I refuse to believe that, given the pressure from Latics, Wigan would have survived relegation easily). And Millward was clearly the final nail: a very divisive figure, whom half the team wouldn't even talk to.

By comparison, everything seems to have gone wrong at Leeds overnight.

But I do agree the Sinfield and Peacock departures are key to this. Maybe their presence papered over a very deep crack. There were stories a couple of years ago that McDermott was not popular with the squad.

Three years ago, I visited Headingly whilst on a Change Management course and met McDermott & Hetherington. From the way GH spoke, it was clear that the club was run on very strict guidelines, and with BMcD being an ex-Royal Marine, he was seen as a key player in that regime. I suspect that McDermott relied very heavily on Sinfield & Peacock to ensure the message was received and understood by the rest of the squad, and now they have left, the link between management and players is not as strong.

You don't finish first by good fortune. We were top almost the entire season.

And in the playoffs we had been behind by an insurmountable 5 points for nearly 8 whole minutes when Sinfield kicked his 40-20. We took the lead with 12 minutes to go and never lost it again.

Enjoy our current problems by all means, but please don't rewrite last season when we were very comfortably the best team in the league and fully deserved everything that we won.

Not sure what is happening with Leeds but how can you move MOS from his usual position to wing!!

Could you imagine Wigan move Sam Tomkins to wing and playing Tierney or someone alike at full back??

I think some of us could be enjoying it a lot more than we are, to be honest.

Most Wiganers I know are bewildered rather than happy.

Glad somebody mentioned that, I thought it was crazy and was the sort of thing that happened here back in 2005/2006.

That wasn't half a smack in the face for Hardaker and seems like the sort of move which will totally demotivate the guy. His form hasn't been great but from what I've seen he's trying as hard as anybody. I wonde if his confidence took a knock against the Kiwis last year? He'd been bigged up going in to the series and he hardly made an indent in the Kiwi defence.

Can you imagine the Leeds traffic on here of the boot was on the other foot?! After some of the pathetic comments on here after the LLS and GF defeats last year by the Rhinos fans I've been tempted to revel in their misfortune on their board but I'm not taking a great deal of pleasure from it. My main concern is the game over here needs a team like Leeds to be strong. They pull in 15,000+ crowds on a regular basis and they're a big city club. It won't be long before their crowds drop off a cliff if things continue and the game doesn't need that.

2006 on here was like the Wild West - what a season!

Well I am happy , I was at Headingley when Lee Smith stood on the wall goading us after their win, also does it show how much Sinfield reffed the games