I could only remember them. There was another Melbourne player.
The point which you clearly are deliberately avoiding is Maguire had a far far far better squad.
Stick with Wane he's building a seriously good team out of your academy. Which he's had a lot of input in.
You've lost 2 games grow up all of you. Before that you didn't concede a point in 160 mins.

I'm not ready to join the Wane out brigade yet - we've played some of our best rugby in a long time under his coaching. However he needs to keep his mouth firmly shut and stop giving the opposition team talk for them. He's also got three games to sort out the appalling away performances that are going to kill the season unless something changes. Three poor defeats at Newcastle v Leeds, at Huddersfield and Stains and his position will be untenable.

Lima, Hoffman and Finch joined after Maguire won his only GF with us.

Did MM inherit a great team at Souths as well then?
Bit of a coincidence he's gone back to the NRL and done exactly what he did here.

Wrong again.

Madge took over a team that finished 6th the season before and took them to the title with only one addition in Paul Deacon.

Challenge Cup wins is 3 each with us and Wire. So will you admit we are way ahead of them them?

Also apart from you who mentioned the biggest club in the world? I actually said we aren't the best side in SL

You seem to either not know what you talking about, love clutching at straws or you're a bad troll.

It was a long shot you'd win anything this season with your squad compared to leeds saints and Catalan and given their age.
Judge them next season. They'll start to kick on then.
A new coach would destroy these kids and bring in a lot of dross players.
You have Tomkins to add next year. He seems happy playing for Wane.

Just all the money and influence he needed.
Not going so we'll at present is he maybe crow should sack him

It worked for Sir Alex for 20 years

Spot on.
I'm a SW fan but his pre match interviews are tedious, repetitive and are not doing SW or the team any favours.
He may have lost the players if he has then his time will be limited.
Our game plan demands good centre play but at the moment we have none therefore, our attack is stop start and our passing abysmal.
I hope he can turn it around but this needs more than wingers working hard and the team "playing tough" this needs the team and playing style stripping down to basics and building back up again.
Saints got battered there last year and turned it around hopefully we can repeat that but personally I doubt it. Hope I wrong

All three it appears. Thanks for the insight. You didn't mention that 6 is twice as many as 3 though. Was I correct on that point?
Only joined the debate as I think you need a bit of perspective 're your current coach.
Some of you do. You clearly don't.
Trolls don't praise opposition teams. As I keep repeating look around the league. You have a generation much like Leeds did 10 years ago.

Quote ="Burtons Forearm"It was a long shot you'd win anything this season with your squad compared to leeds saints and Catalan and given their age. Judge them next season. They'll start to kick on then. A new coach would destroy these kids and bring in a lot of dross players. You have Tomkins to add next year. He seems happy playing for Wane.'" Pretty much what I said here Quote ="MattyB"With the players we have I don't think we're a million miles away from having a successful team. We have a young team that will no doubt only get better as they gain more experience. I don't think we are good enough to win it this year( if we do it will be a shock IMO). We have Sam Tomkins to come back next season which will give us more attacking options, I think we need a couple of old heads 2 x Craig Smith types, beef that pack up. I'm not into this 15 Brits (of which 12 are Wiganers) first team, we need experience to help these young lads reach their potential.'" viewtopic.php?f=28&t=581743&start=20

Quote ="Burtons Forearm"It was a long shot you'd win anything this season with your squad compared to leeds saints and Catalan and given their age. Judge them next season. They'll start to kick on then. A new coach would destroy these kids and bring in a lot of dross players. You have Tomkins to add next year. He seems happy playing for Wane.'" Pretty much what I said here Quote ="MattyB"With the players we have I don't think we're a million miles away from having a successful team. We have a young team that will no doubt only get better as they gain more experience. I don't think we are good enough to win it this year( if we do it will be a shock IMO). We have Sam Tomkins to come back next season which will give us more attacking options, I think we need a couple of old heads 2 x Craig Smith types, beef that pack up. I'm not into this 15 Brits (of which 12 are Wiganers) first team, we need experience to help these young lads reach their potential.'" viewtopic.php?f=28&t=581743&start=20

Without going too much into it, no.

Wire - Challenge Cups 3, SL - 0
Wigan - Challenge Cups 3, SL - 3

Way ahead IMO.

Whilst the away form has been nothing short of pathetic, I have a bit of sympathy for Wane tonight. We start the game well go 6-0 then we throw a forward pass from dummy half which completely changes the momentum of the game. Then we score to make it 10-16 and Powell throws a shocking pass to Bateman which results in us not touching the ball for the rest of the half. 2 big turning points that he couldn't do anything about.

That being said, some of the players threw the towel in tonight and that is simply unacceptable. That is something Wane can sort out and it will be interesting to see who carries the can for tonight. I thought Bowen, Charnley, Sarginson, Powell, Williams, Patrick, and O Loughlin were woeful. Joel Tomkins had a shocker too but I can cut him slack as he was up against a world class centre in Tonga and Joel quite simply isn't a centre.

4 weeks now for Wane to sort them out or he will be looking at the exit door at the end of the season.

I suspect the 18 (current total) that have voted Wane IN and a coaching genius are all Saints fans!

Up until last week you was looking like being the team to beat. Putting big scores on and not letting many in. Two weeks later it "sack the coach".

Leeds and saints ain't looked hot in recent weeks either. This year is more competitive and anyone can beat anyone.

Anyone with half of brain can see he's no coaching genius but you can't argue with his record and your 3rd in the league!

I voted it, not because I think he is a coaching genius but because I think he should stay. 2 weeks ago nearly everyone was happy with him

You see a lot of these blow outs in a season but they count for very little in the grand scheme of things.

The CC defeat was more damaging really. Wigan have a good chance of reaching the GF and anything can happen then as we know. Should see the season out with Wane in charge and then take stock.

He was the best British coach by a mile a few weeks back


How fickle!

If anything SW is too trusting in his players. Smith should be dropped he gets found out under pressure I cringe watching him. Sarg should be moved to full back on a permanent basis because Bowen hasn't worked out.
However the big problem over the last few weeks is the 20 mins mark, up to that point the forwards have mixed it and Wigan have been in contention. After the 20 mins the wheels fall off. Is it not obvious to anybody else that the replacement props and Powell are useless? SW neeeds to stop hoping that they will perform and drop them to Worky or wherever he sends them, but don't send them out to face Leeds

Not in the opinion of, I think, most supporters. Most are aware of, and have voiced concerns about, Wane's shortcomings as a coach. He is 'tactically naive' if we're being generous. My concern is that he's taken us from being a well-drilled, disciplined, ruthless machine to an unstructured, ill-organised bunch of flat track bullies. Putting 60 points on a Hull KR side that would have struggled against a pub team impresses nobody but the delusional. Having said that he's here for the foreseeable as IFL will not get shut, he loves Wane and is a tightwad. For what it's worth I would give the job to Deacon for the rest of the season

Another worry is that those who say, don't panic, we have a talented young side next season, they're only kids, they'll improve with experience (OK, they may mostly be Saints fans

), aren't reckoning with the likelihood that several of the best of them may not be with us for much longer (Sarginson? Hampshire? Gelling?).

Wrong. I was one them. Give Catalan some credit. They slowed down the PLB and had great line speed and were sometimes in amongst the Wigan line before Wigan had decided to pass! They played with lots of aggression which Wigan couldn't match on the night. The next three weeks will be the best litmus test as to how Wigan will finish this year. I wouldn't be surprised to see us beat Leeds and Saints and then lose away at Hudds. Then again, a betting man would go off form and assume they will lose all three!

I have said from Day 1 he is not a coach. IMO he was given the job as an "old boy" by IL to make it look like he was going back to the glory days of the late 80's/early 90's and to entice the likes of Edwards back.

Fans of other clubs have just laughed at Wane since he got the job, despite his early success that was, lets be honest, built on what Madge did. They all want Wane to stay as they see him taking the club backwards.

He is a one trick pony

You my friend have your head buried in the sand

I suggest that we resume this discussion in three weeks time and then see who's head is actually buried in the sand.