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| If he's arguing that having a teams in the same comp having different rules to abide by then he might have had a point. Not a point I agree with mind you.
If he's miffed because of Carney's past issues then as stated by others it's double standards because of the already mentioned Ryan Bailey and Chev Walker.
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| The only point of his that I would agree with (if this is what he's saying), is that if a player is refused a work-permit for the UK, then it should be made to stick.
Basically, any player who is ineligible to work in the UK, for whatever reason, should not be allowed to play here.
In this instance, that could/would mean that the player would be allowed to play for Catalans in home games but NOT in away fixtures.
I have never deemed it to be fair that due to lax immigration policies, players were able to circumvent the UK work-permit rules, by playing (aka 'working') in the UK every other week.
Other than that, as others have stated, he should look to his own house before casting aspersions.
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| Quote ="Pie Eyed"I have never deemed it to be fair that due to lax immigration policies, players were able to circumvent the UK work-permit rules, by playing (aka 'working') in the UK every other week'"
How many wendyballers would get deported for driving fast/illegally each year? I can't think of a major sportsman/woman to be refused entry other than Tyson in recent times.
it's double (even triple) standards all round, but unless we put the BNP in charge of immigration policy, there's nowt gonna change.
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| Quote ="Pie Eyed"
Other than that, as others have stated, he should look to his own house before casting aspersions.'"
Hetherington runs the RFL so looking at other peoples houses is his business.
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| Quote ="Pie Eyed"
I have never deemed it to be fair that due to lax immigration policies, players were able to circumvent the UK work-permit rules, by playing (aka 'working') in the UK every other week.
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One person's lax is another person's enlightened. Really - what do you think we have to fear by letting Todd Carney play? His conviction/suspended sentence dates back to 2009 for vandalism. Since then he's been guilty of getting drunk too often and making a fool of himself.
It's never a good idea for sport to get too wrapped up in morality. I mean, where do you stop? Carney's major character flaw is that he drinks too much. So all of that sponsorship money that's keeping the game solvent from drinks/gambling companies should be given back then - thought not. The stench of hypocrisy is overwhelming on this one.
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| I'd rather have a drunken fool playing for my team than a homophobe.
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| Quote ="Suzy Banyon"I'd rather have a drunken fool playing for my team than a homophobe.'"
I wouldnt
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| I'd prefer not to have either
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| Quote ="Pieman"I wouldnt'"
So you've never done anything foolish while drunk?
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| If GH is compaining about the differences in Immigration Laws between the UK and France, then don't go there.
EU laws are complicated enough and we were happy enough to see Greg Bird play here as, I personnaly, would be to see Todd Carney appear for the Dragons.
If he gets a French EU visa then that's up to the French. Once he has that he can work where he likes within the EU (as I understand it).
As for undermining the integrity of Super League. Where has he got that one from. He needs to stay out of it. Silly man!
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| Quote ="Suzy Banyon"So you've never done anything foolish while drunk?'"
So you've never said something bad in the heat of the moment?
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| It's a nonsense argument from Hetherington.
The nature of having teams from two countries in the same competition means there will always be inconsistencies around things like immigration policies, tax rates etc. This comes as no surprise to anyone, I mean how long have Catalans been in SL now? Deal with it.
Maybe we should also move them to Northern France as they have an unfair advantage in attracting players because it's sunny in Perpignan?
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| Quote ="FearTheVee"
Maybe we should also move them to Northern France as they have an unfair advantage in attracting players because it's sunny in Perpignan?'"
anyone do GCSE Geography in St Helens?
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| Think you've misread that.
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| Quote ="Suzy Banyon"So you've never done anything foolish while drunk?'"
Yep, but being a homophobe wouldn't hamper a performance as much as an alky would it?
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| Quote ="nikos"anyone do GCSE Geography in St Helens?'"
I'm relatively comfortable that my education surpasses your own, given the nature of your post.
Thanks for your concern though.
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| Quote ="Pieman"Yep, but being a homophobe wouldn't hamper a performance as much as an alky would it?'"
I don't think Todd Carneys performances are in doubt are they?
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| Quote ="Aboveusonlypie"I don't think Todd Carneys performances are in doubt are they?'"
I think some of them have been [ip*ss[/i poor personally.
He he
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| Quote ="Aboveusonlypie"I don't think Todd Carneys performances are in doubt are they?'"
He's had some awful seasons
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| Quote ="Aboveusonlypie"When someone is convicted of a crime. He is punished. He is also hopefully rehabilitated. If you deny someone the chance to make a living, does that mean that you think the state should support them forever more?
I don't recall Greg Bird damaging the 'integrity' of Super League too much. He was brilliant in a poor team that season. I for one am looking forward to seeing Todd Carney play. He is quite brilliant.
Hetherington is in such a large glass house on this one. For all Baileys misdemeanours he is still at Leeds. And quite right too. I don't like him much but I wouldn't want to deny him the chance of earning a living. Let Todd Carney do the same. His profile will actually benefit Super League. He will be the best import since Trent Barrett.'"
I agree with this post! Time to lie down....
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| Quote ="Aboveusonlypie"For all Baileys misdemeanours he is still at Leeds.'" Hetherington is out of order on this issue but would you care to expand on "all" Bailey's "misdemeanours"? Other than the one well-reported incident when he was 18 what else do you refer to???
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| Quote ="FearTheVee"I'm relatively comfortable that my education surpasses your own, given the nature of your post.
Thanks for your concern though.'"
Don't mind him he's in a World of his own.
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| Quote ="Pieman"He's had some awful seasons'"
Like 2010 when he won the Dally M? Only the very best win that. I can't believe you are questioning his ability?
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| Quote ="Aboveusonlypie"One person's lax is another person's enlightened. Really - what do you think we have to fear by letting Todd Carney play? His conviction/suspended sentence dates back to 2009 for vandalism. Since then he's been guilty of getting drunk too often and making a fool of himself.
It's never a good idea for sport to get too wrapped up in morality. I mean, where do you stop? Carney's major character flaw is that he drinks too much. So all of that sponsorship money that's keeping the game solvent from drinks/gambling companies should be given back then - thought not. The stench of hypocrisy is overwhelming on this one.'"
At what point did I even mention Carney ???
The stench of illiteracy is overwhelming on this one.
This blew up over a discussion about him, but my point is that if ANY player deemed unfit to work in this country, for whatever reason, then that law should be enforced.
Play in France if you want - with their "enlightened" work permit laws - but you cannot play over here.
Anyhing other than that is simply an automatic advantage to Les Cats in terms of player recruitment (if that is really the sort of player that you want).
And I'm not talking about the guys that have been banned for speeding. That (IMO) is just bloody ridiculous.
I'm talking about anyone with a "real" conviction - Decide for yourself what that might be.
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| It does seem strange that somebody with a murder conviction from another country can work over here, but a bloke with a history of getting ed and ing on himself can't get a work visa!
Seems pretty standard behaviour for a large percentage of late teens/ early twenty year olds. . . .
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