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| For the interest of truth, H loves Wigan and ideally did not want to leave, having said that none of you really know how much the lads that come through Wigan's youth setup are paid.
After a while, watching the likes of Lima, Hoffman, Luaki and Feka come in and earn double what you earn takes its toll even though you play for the love of the Wigan name.
With 2 young kids he had a decision to make with probably only 6-8 years max left in him, of course it was financial, you cant buy a bigger house for your family with Challenge Cup & Super League winners medals can you?
Wigan had the opportunity to raise his salary to be level with the rest of the senior squad members and chose not too, ironically the peanuts that you are paying Sam Hopkins would have probably kept him.
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| Quote ="Binosh"For the interest of truth, H loves Wigan and ideally did not want to leave, having said that none of you really know how much the lads that come through Wigan's youth setup are paid.
After a while, watching the likes of Lima, Hoffman, Luaki and Feka come in and earn double what you earn takes its toll even though you play for the love of the Wigan name.
With 2 young kids he had a decision to make with probably only 6-8 years max left in him, of course it was financial, you cant buy a bigger house for your family with Challenge Cup & Super League winners medals can you?
Wigan had the opportunity to raise his salary to be level with the rest of the senior squad members and chose not too, ironically the peanuts that you are paying Sam Hopkins would have probably kept him.'"
I don't think that anyone would question any of your points, and we all accept that all parties had a decision to make. As for players coming in and getting better pay, it was ever thus. It does now look as if clubs can't compete to do it, but if they don't, fans will moan about a lack of marquee signings as well.... Hard to keep all parties happy.. As i said in an earlier post, i'm glad that i did not have to make the decision...
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| Quote ="Binosh"For the interest of truth, H loves Wigan and ideally did not want to leave, having said that none of you really know how much the lads that come through Wigan's youth setup are paid.
After a while, watching the likes of Lima, Hoffman, Luaki and Feka come in and earn double what you earn takes its toll even though you play for the love of the Wigan name.
With 2 young kids he had a decision to make with probably only 6-8 years max left in him, of course it was financial, you cant buy a bigger house for your family with Challenge Cup & Super League winners medals can you?
Wigan had the opportunity to raise his salary to be level with the rest of the senior squad members and chose not too, ironically the peanuts that you are paying Sam Hopkins would have probably kept him.'"
This is so true, I certainly dont see how people can begrudge Hansen for leaving. He was a model professional and first teamer for 10 years and did all he could for Wigan, he certainly does not deserve abuse.
Rugby players have such a short career and for a good portion of it arent earning particularly good money. It is actually quite ridiculous what some younger players get paid when you consider they are sometimes playing in front of 20,000 people or more. They may get 2 or at best 3 decent/good contracts. Young players often show great loyalty to the club but loyalty is also a 2 way street and after 10 or so years they dont always feel that this loyalty is repaid.
Also when a player has already won everything there is to win and players are nearing the end of their career then money becomes a lot more important. Trophies are nice obviously but when a player has already won them all, and sometimes on multiple occasions, then an extra 40k or 50k at another club sure is tempting. Players do become stale as well and sometimes actually want a change and a different challenge, even if they love Wigan.
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| Famous and Binosh have it spot on IMO. He's won the medals, now time to look after his family. He's a top bloke who I have met on many occasions and I wish him nothing but the best.
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| Quote ="Geoff"It must have been a considerable increase, given that he passed on what would have been a very lucrative testimonial.'"
Testimonials aren't that lucrative for players. Certainly not compared to the extra money that he's getting at Salford.
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| I may be mistaken about this, but I don't think I've noticed anyone giving Hansen a hard time. Quite the opposite in fact. While Hock came in for some stick the other night, Hansen didn't.
Regardless of whether or not he had to make the move for monetary reasons, those who've said he's messed up going to Salford could still be proved right. He's obviously going to earn a lot more money, and good on him for that, but the trade-off may be very little, if anything, in the way of trophies. If he'd gone to Leeds, or Saints or Warrington, he'd still have a promising career. Salford was an odd choice, and I'm not sure there's anything wrong in pointing that out.
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| Quote ="Cruncher"I may be mistaken about this, but I don't think I've noticed anyone giving Hansen a hard time. Quite the opposite in fact. While Hock came in for some stick the other night, Hansen didn't.
Regardless of whether or not he had to make the move for monetary reasons, those who've said he's messed up going to Salford could still be proved right. He's obviously going to earn a lot more money, and good on him for that, but the trade-off may be very little, if anything, in the way of trophies. If he'd gone to Leeds, or Saints or Warrington, he'd still have a promising career. Salford was an odd choice, and I'm not sure there's anything wrong in pointing that out.'"
The thing is all of the top clubs have pretty similar salary cap wage set ups and structures and Hansen wouldnt get any more at those clubs. Therefore for a player like Hansen at Wigan, who is a good solid player but certainly no superstar, he is probably earning 70k-80k. This would be much the case if he went to a Leeds, Saints or Warrington. Its the clubs that are the next tier down and looking to rise like Salford and the Hull clubs where a player like Hansen is then a bigger player and then gets the big money at that club.
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| Quote ="Famous"The thing is all of the top clubs have pretty similar salary cap wage set ups and structures and Hansen wouldnt get any more at those clubs. Therefore for a player like Hansen at Wigan, who is a good solid player but certainly no superstar, he is probably earning 70k-80k. This would be much the case if he went to a Leeds, Saints or Warrington. Its the clubs that are the next tier down and looking to rise like Salford and the Hull clubs where a player like Hansen is then a bigger player and then gets the big money at that club.'"
That may be true but he gave up a testimonial to leave so that could have been worth a bit. Also as Salford work under the same salary cap as everyone else and are signing/have signed other players who would fit the bill of increasing their 80K salaries how does that work if they are all doing it?
A team is greater than the sum of its parts and I think we saw that here at Wigan last season. How much a player like Hansen is worth isn't IMO what he looks like playing for another club but what he brought to our team when we won the double. Which was a lot.
I think Hansen working under Wane and Bitcon was worth far more to Wigan last season than Salford now and I think it is unfortunate we didn't value that money-wise for him as I don't believe with who Salford have signed and who they are signing he is their star player salary-wise.
I also think our new signing from Wakefield is an acknowledgment we are missing Hansen in the 2nd row. He seems to be the replacement for Hansen that Clubb didn't turn out to be (who is a prop and looks good there).
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| Farrell & Bateman are our starting 2nd row, Hansen would of been a sub at best. H was a limited player who was never exceptional in any deptment, for people to still be talking about him leaving is strange and you would have to question their motives.
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| Quote ="Famous"The thing is all of the top clubs have pretty similar salary cap wage set ups and structures and Hansen wouldnt get any more at those clubs. Therefore for a player like Hansen at Wigan, who is a good solid player but certainly no superstar, he is probably earning 70k-80k. This would be much the case if he went to a Leeds, Saints or Warrington. Its the clubs that are the next tier down and looking to rise like Salford and the Hull clubs where a player like Hansen is then a bigger player and then gets the big money at that club.'"
Hansen probably wouldn't get in the first 13 at Hull, so unlikely he'd earn big bucks here.
In recent years I have stopped disliking Wigan, because I like Wane, I like your style of Rugby and I like how you develop your youngsters. Wigan is a very good club to play for, but my god there's a lot of arrogance on here. I'm sure Harrison Hansen is very comfortable with his decision every time he looks at his bank balance.
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| Quote ="Mr. Zucchini Head"Hansen probably wouldn't get in the first 13 at Hull, so unlikely he'd earn big bucks here.
In recent years I have stopped disliking Wigan, because I like Wane, I like your style of Rugby and I like how you develop your youngsters. Wigan is a very good club to play for, but my god there's a lot of arrogance on here. I'm sure Harrison Hansen is very comfortable with his decision every time he looks at his bank balance.'"
A lot if the 'arrogance' is a self defence mechanism. There is a lot of dislike sometimes even hatred of Wigan from other supporters which often results in the 'we are the biggest club in the world' response.
I don't dislike any club just the minority of idiotic fans that all clubs have attached to them.
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| Quote ="Kaii"Farrell & Bateman are our starting 2nd row, Hansen would of been a sub at best. H was a limited player who was never exceptional in any deptment, for people to still be talking about him leaving is strange and you would have to question their motives.'"
You don't think Hansen was exceptional in defence then?
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| Quote ="Grimmy"You don't think Hansen was exceptional in defence then?'"
Was going to reply as above but thought it would fall on deaf ears .
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| Out troubles on the right side in defence prove what a top player Hansen was for us. He's different to guys like Faz and Bateman but in his own way was every bit as good.
He's been a big loss.
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| Quote ="Kaii"Farrell & Bateman are our starting 2nd row, Hansen would of been a sub at best'"
You obvisouly watch a different game to the rest of us
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| Did we let Hanson leave because we weren't prepared to pay a top wage to keep him, the answer is yes. Decent player nothing else, Bateman is far superior and yes Hansen would of been on the bench.
Quote You obvisouly watch a different game to the rest of us'"
This has to be comment of the year since most of you never go the match, home or away. Arm chair super fans lol
I suppose you are right, when i'm at the match i don't get the replays, adverts, commentary etc
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| A lot of us must have missed that survey reference the number of posters on here that go to game.
Maybe we were all at the game
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| Look at all the tumbleweeds when talk about actually going the match was mentioned, EW take a picture of your season ticket and post it up to prove me wrong
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| Quote ="Kaii"Look at all the tumbleweeds when talk about actually going the match was mentioned, EW take a picture of your season ticket and post it up to prove me wrong'"
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| Quote ="Kaii"Look at all the tumbleweeds when talk about actually going the match was mentioned, EW take a picture of your season ticket and post it up to prove me wrong'"
Id almost forgot it was half term. Is it back to school tomorrow?
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| If EW is the person i met at The Stoop once over, he travels more than most to watch Wigan...
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| If you were going to call someone out for a world's greatest fan contest, would you pick someone who takes the time, trouble and expense to follow us from Scotland?
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| Quote ="Kaii"Look at all the tumbleweeds when talk about actually going the match was mentioned, EW take a picture of your season ticket and post it up to prove me wrong'"
You couldn't be further from the truth.
EW and his son travel to most Wigan games (guess where they live)
They probably put more miles in per season than any other Wigan fans.
I respectfully suggest that you offer them an apology.
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| Quote ="Kaii"Did we let Hanson leave because we weren't prepared to pay a top wage to keep him, the answer is yes. Decent player nothing else'"
That may be the case but an average player at Wigan can earn star wages elsewhere. The same will happen again and again with the salary cap that is in place. I certainly dont think its a reflection of Hansen or is abilities. I would be fairly certain that Hansen is on way more than Bateman at the moment, does that mean he is a better player?
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