Charnley, goulding, o'loughlin, clubb, flower and Farrell not one of those a reserves! try taking Hall, Sinfield, Peacock, Ablett and Delany and then it may be similar excluding your current injuries.

Not one of Leeds are a reserve, isn't Goulding on the bench btw?

I never said they are, I was comparing them like for like. And i haven't seen the actual team sheet so if he is my apologies be interesting to understand that decision.

You didn't tho, Sinfield is Leeds starting half, you're not missing that. I'd also say Flower isn't your main prop (Taylor) like Peacock is ours.

Wigan subs

Goulding
Sutton
Sam Powell
Crosby

Sinfield is your leader just like o'loughlin is ours. and Flower is the main starting prop and has been for a couple of years now. So yes i did even if you disagree with it.

Why do I need to take those out? As stated we are already missing five players from the first choice 17. As you said you are missing Charnley, O'Loughlin, Clubb, Flower and Farrell, from first choice 17. Five players.

I wasn't trying to have a p15sing contest, as I accepted Wigan had more players missing. Just pointing out the reality of the first choice 17.

But the you took out our starting loose in Delaney.

So which is it? Sinfield for leadership or Delaney at loose?

Are you missing both hookers like Burrow and Aiton?

i am comparing players who play similar roles Delany for Farrell and not Ablett I'm not saying position for position. its also not a ing contest more of a showing that we are missing a a lot of leadership and big game players.

its a bit unfair to say the injuries balance them selves out considering you still have your first choice winger, captain and senior prop and over all we have more injuries in the forwards.

But you said on the previous page it was like for like, go back and look it's still there.

If Farrell is Delaney then who is for Ablett?

I agree it's not a pi**ing contest, just pointing out the flaws in the comparisons.

I would say Wigan are more effected by their absentees, but that's because the players stepping up for us are better.

No Leeds aren't missing first choice wing or prop, neither are Wigan missing two hookers and having to play a second row there and drag Sinfield out of position to do a job there too. Regarding that, Sutcliffe has come on in previous games when Si field has moved to 9. He's at centre tonight so we have to reshuffle too there.

Dudson is a f***ing moron. Absolute liability.

Ben Thaler is out of his depth.

Sinfield bought that dummy beautifully.

Our kick defence is shocking at times. Not sure what Manfredi offers over Sarginson on the wing to be honest.

Still, what a great win.

Hopefully we'll have a few back for Salford on Thursday. Sounds like Blake Green will be out for a while

really. there goes any excuse that people used in last seasons play off final, battered and still won.

By battered you mean 4 points and a ball scraping Manfreidi nose deciding it?

Ok then

I would say in general play leeds were battered but not on the scoreline, you need to buy moon some stick mits and i wouldn't be here gloating

To quote that awful movie Fast and Furious, it doesn't matter if you win by an inch or a mile.

Also, we did batter you, considering the amount of players we had injured.

You battered Bradford
You battered Hull

You were the better team tonight, but battering.....no.

Point he is making is that you should have battered us considering the amount of players missing and a few were carrying injuries into the game. Also a training session got cancelled as we only had 8 players fit.

Strength in depth at the moment is huge and its getting bigger apparently according to a very dependable person on another board Joel Tomkins is returning.

I was telling regular punters in work on Tuesday to put money on Leeds to win with Wigan having a 20 start. Thought it would have been easy money. Luckily o do not gamble.

Even i had Leeds for a win...

We shouldn't have battered you. Win possibly, battered no.

We desperately missed TWO hookers tonight and arguably the most exciting back in SL in Watkins tonight so we had issues ourselves. I would imagine a few of our guys were carrying knocks as well, Delaney (shoulder) and Hardaker (thigh) were both carrying koncks vs Cas last week.

Whilst I would agree you were missing more, the "injury crisis" at Wigan has been massively over exaggerated.

I'm the most annoyingly positive person who posts on this board, and i'm shocked your team lost!!!

O'loughlin
charnley (ill admit hes been out for a while)
thornley
pettybourne
clubb
farrell
flower