Anyone other than the coach of an NRL GF winning team, and some here would go into meltdown...

That is an old fashioned and outdated approach. Coaches have to be almost a physcologist these days and Wane has alot to learn in that department IMO.

It's his job to get the best out of players and not look like a coach form the 70's. He doesn't have the luxery to speak his mind if it undermines players confidence and the critisism of Gelling was crass. There was plenty of poor play v Wakefield's 12 men including the shoddy defense down the middle that led to two tries so to say that about Gelling given what else happened in that game was out of order IMO. Just no need for it.

As an outsider looking in, i'd say the jury is still out. Wane has the team chuntering along well week in week out but I feel wigan are almost in danger of becoming a 'flat track bully' team, once that rolls over mid table teams with ease but then loses the big close games. There are some teams that seem to play, for example, like their lives depend on it against leeds, but then bend over for wigan, who are more than good enough to take full ruthless advantage. When a team is regular putting 50 and 60 points on other teams, it's easy to look at them and think 'they're the dogs bollox', but sometimes it pays to look deeper.

So the real judgement of wane will come at seasons end. If wigan haven't at least made one major final (preferably the grand final), he has failed.

You are Brett Kenny, and i claim my £10

How did we know any of this if the coach kept everything in house?

That's your opinion, no substance.

Nonsense.

A wallopers view

Then you go and spoil it all by saying something stupid like I love you.

How do you know that the criticism of Gelling wasn't psychological?

People respond to different triggers.

Gelling might be the type of player that needs to be publicly embarrassed to up his game. Others will need an arm round the shoulder.

That said, I've never met any of our players so I couldn't comment on their personality types.

Me too but I suppose I should have added 'the majoritys expectations' in that statement.

The bloke loves the club and as much as he'll make mistakes along the way that's a great base from which to work. If we fail it won't be for the want of trying.

A new deal must be close.

Wane's right up there with the best in super league. How anyone could claim otherwise is completely beyond me.

Unfortunately there are a small number of people on this board with a hidden agenda to publically discredit Shaun Wane at any given opportunity due to them being 'in the know' relating to some certain incidents throughout our recent past.

Obviously it's become apparent that the team (and it's chairman) have lost confidence in Mr Wane that we are now languishing at the bottom of SL and the club is in tatters.

Is it not about expectation? The expectation of our owner is that we should win either a CC or a SL GF. Anything less will be demed unacceptable by our owner. Such high expectations are 'The Wigan Way' Shaun Wane and the players understand those expectations and 'The Wigan Way'. Many Wigan 'supporters' posting in this thread do not share the expectations of our owner, Shaun Wane, the players and real Wigan supporters.

No, his expectation (IL) is that Wigan compete/make a Challenge Cup Final/Superleague Final. His ambition is to win them (from his address to the shareholders)

BUT

In the past we've employed coaches who'd achieved success prior to taking the Wigan job but all failed to see some of the results/progress that Wane has.

He's earned a shot and letting him have a sustained period of say 2, 3 or 4 full seasons isn't going away from the mythical Wigan way. That being said if we don't win anything in that period of time then it's time to find a new guy.

All this does, IMO, prove how good Madge was and how lucky we were to get him.

If that is the case then clearly we did not meet those expectations and they are a bar far higher than the vast majority here are prepared to accept. Not doubting the address BTW but Shaun Wane / Players must have received a very different expectations. One they are happy to share. I daresay greats like Edwards, Gregory and Hanley and many more had identically high expectations. The true 'Wigan Way'.

It all depends on the standards being attained prior to an appointment. Shaun Wane came into a Wigan RLFC that was successful and delivering competition victories. Shaun Wane was part of that success and received the best apprenticeship money can buy. If Shaun Wane achieves anything less then Wigan RLFC has declined under his watch.

Some coaches were very successful but lost their position for various reasons, sometimes harshly (Dorahay / West). Other coaches came at a time when the standards being achieved were relatively poor and they were sometimes not given time or given time (Brian Noble for example) but lost their position for not achieving the expectation.

Wigan RLFC was built on high expectations. Several here have low expectations of the club and denounce anybody with high expectations that reflect the 'Wigan Way'

Wane did a superb job in his first season. His expectations are, and should be higher this season. He doesn't suffer fools or slackers and all the players know who the boss is. He could (and IMO should) be little more humane, but he does seek advice from his "senior team"

I hope it works for him, because he is under no illusion of the expectations from above. He's in an entirely different position to Noble when he came to Wigan in that Noble had a remit to consolidate and then rebuild. Wane knows that he has to reach finals.

What is a real Wigan supporter?

I'm sure people like Lockers & Richards have the drive for success that the previous greats did.

I'm also positive guys like Tomkins and Farrell are driven to be the best also.

For all his faults I'd also never doubt Wane's desire to win. If anything he's a little OTT with it sometimes and forgets the prize is won in October.

Do you not think that greats like Edwards, Gregory and Hanley wanted to win EVERY game, which is what Wane has been criticised for?
Edwards hated losing more than he enjoyed winning, and still does (as a coach)

One with expectations and standards commensurate with the rich history and traditions of Wigan RLFC

Paying homage to 'Jinkin' even in jest says so much.

Do you really believe what you typed there, do you really think that the coach of one of the top sides in the UK does not know this?

Yes I do believe this. It's a fault and it's also at the same time a winners attitude.

Sometimes a winners pride doesn't let Wane ease up mid season as he hates to lose.

I'm not saying he's stupid or doesn't know the game BUT I don't think he doesn't know how to take his foot off full throttle.

So, you don't think failure at the pointy end of last season had anything to do with TL being injured at a crucial time, and Finch not being interested, as his future had been mapped out?