Only it does.

Because they beat you last time out in a Cup match and are the current Champions.

But you are right, nothing else needs to be said.

So, even though we butchered you in our first meeting this season, we're not capable of doing it again (purely because you scrawped a victory in our second meeting, and/or because you won something last year)?

I only hope your coach is as much of a guru as you are.

You didn't. Since I'm a Bulls fan, Wigan lost their first meeting this season against said side. Research prior to statements may help your diminishing cause.



Losing? Fair chance.



Scrawped? I see what you did there.

This is an even simpler point to conclude. The reigning Champions are the team you have delusions of beating, understandable. The same team who beat you in the last outing "scrawped" or whichever other Lancastrian indigenous word you wish to introduce to the masses.

Said same game is only for two point, not the Grand Final. But long may Phil Clarke maintain his Wigan believist flag waving.

Only to be proven wrong for the 4th year running at OT.

Brilliant.

Before last night, people were on the wire forum asking where everyone was sitting at Wembly and which tickets to get.
Perhaps they should be asking how many euro's the tickets are.
If they lose next week then lose the semi-final, the season is a new ball game.

Why does it bother you so much, Bullboy? Delusions of beating Leeds?

All I can assume is that you've confused Wigan's resurgence with Bradford's collapse.

There's no connection between the two - your club's fallen apart through crass mismanagement - so no need to blame us. Personally, I'd be glad if you were still up there, but you're not ... so you need to deal with it in more manly fashion. Hitting out blindly and pointlessly just makes you look a bit of a plank.

The rest of your post is trite nonsense. Phil Clark's views, indigenous Lancashire words etc - all totally irrelvant to my OP, and further evidence that resentful bitterness is burning a hole through you. My assertion was merely that Wigan are capable of beating Leeds well. We are because we've already proved it once this season. Nothing you've said can be taken as proof to the contrary, or even a coherent argument why this might not be so.

I'd invite you to try again, but, on the strength of what you've offered to date, I doubt we'd get too far.

I don't think this current wigan team will suffer burnout as they look pretty fit to me, i don't really read into this working all season to hit your peak at play offs and holding back so not to peak to early.

Every team every week goes out to win, if it's game one or game twenty eight.

I think the only thing to wreck your great season is if you bottle it, threr is no doubt you've been the best team this year but it means nothing come play off time.

I agree except I'd say that history has shown that when top teams play each other anything can happen and it can go down to a foot being slightly in touch or a ball being dropped so I don't think bottling it is the only way for us not to get to the GF and win and I also don't think it would wreck our season either as we've already surpassed our pre-season expectations by playing attractive rugby, being consistent, keeping our heads up and keeping battling when we go behind.

If we lose the next two matches, it will be worrying because we will have then lost three matches on the trot. We would then have Wakey away, Hull home and Quins away as our last three regular matches. At worst we would finish 4th, more likely still 2nd. To paraphrase you, the play-offs are a new ball game.

I am sure that the coaches of the top four teams are all rotating players to keep them fit for semi finals (if there) and the play offs. A loss here or there now is not that important (in the league). We rested Morley vs Crusaders and won, we rested more against Catalans and lost. Leeds rested a couple today and beat Salford after being down at ht.

I don't think any of the top 4 will "burn out". It also doesn't look as though any of us has peaked yet, although Hull may have. We may have lost against Catalans but we beat you last week. No one was talking about peaking then.

I think there will be one or two more "shocks" in the league before the play offs. How decisive they will be remains to be seen.

If you finish top(which you will) then if you don't get to old trafford then it's got to be down to losing your bottle, tyou would have to lose 2 weeks in a row which you ain't done this year.

Thats the beauty of finishing in the top two, you can lose, which is sometimes not a bad thing if it re-focuses the team...

The Play-offs this year IMO are going to be the best yet..

I just wish they would revert beck to five/six teams as eight teams is just a joke..

I thought you meant even if we got to old trafford and lost it would be down to bottle. Also we could lose one week then win then lose which would mean we wouldn't get to OT without losing two weeks in a row. Nit picking probably but stating facts.

No. What I can assume is you failed to recognise the facts presented.



Your irony switch is broken.

My assertion was merely that Wigan are capable of beating Leeds well. We are because we've already proved it once this season.'"

So that means Wigan are incapable of beating them? Yes or no?

(Before answering, bear in mind that Wigan are currently 9 league points higher than Leeds and have a match points difference of +361 - or is that more of my delusion?).

Extrapolating a resounding win at the back to back to back champions from stuffing a Hull FC team missing Long, O'Meley, Fitzgibbon and Tickle amongst others is a bit, well, mental.

We stuck 50 on Wakefield yesterday, therefore we'll wallop Warrington away next week I imagine.

Do you disagree that any of the top teams are =#FF0040capable of winning convincingly against any of the others? Hell I know we're capable of playing utter garbage, as are yourselves, Leeds and Wire judging from some of the matches this season.

So why's it impossible for it to happen?

All that was said is that =#FF0040we're capable of a convincing result (not that we'd get one), in just the same way as Leeds are against us, or any of the top teams against each other - that's what happens at this level if one side plays really well and the other doesn't bring it's A game. If a top side plays its best, against another top side who has a bad day (they've happened to all 4 teams this season), then what do you think the outcome will be? 14-12?

Somebody on this thread needs to look up capable in the dictionary as they clearly dont understand what it means.

I don't doubt you're capable, Saints whipped Leeds at KR with a weak side, I was just pointing out that simply using "0-46" as the proof (which was the post I replied to) is daft.

I think a more relevant reference would be - have any of the top 4 hammered the other away this season? surely holds more water than a result against a weakened Hull.

One person quoted the 0-46 result. To home in on that and ignore all the other reasoned arguments is a bit lame.

But glad to see you agree with the main point - that Wigan are well capable of beating Leeds.

I didn't "home in" on it - I responded directly to that point, then responded again to people quoting my post.



Of course you are, I would never suggest otherwise. Can't see it being a drubbing though, which was my point.

I'll settle for a Wigan win 0 - 1.
That's a near to a drubbing as we need to give them.

I would settle for Saints beating Warrington and a draw at leeds

Am I right in thinking that if Wigan lose at the weekend, that's 4 consecutive losses against other top4 sides?

I appreciate wigan have won games earlier in the year, but perhaps teams are wising up to what were new patterns in defence and attack at wigan early season?

Perhaps I'm reading too much into it - I think you'll beat Leeds anyway, we would have won there a few weeks back had we not lost both halves to injury during the game. They look very beatable indeed. With a bit more composure you would have been out of sight against Saints and Wire recently too.

3 i think Saints and Warrington and if we loose on Friday Leeds
as in the CC Leeds were not in the top 4 they only got there this week