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| That's really strange as I expected Kearney to say "MM - he's crap"...
Article is largely irrelevant imo.
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| Quote ="XBrettKennyX"That's really strange as I expected Kearney to say "MM - he's crap"...
Article is largely irrelevant imo.'"
Irrelevant in what sense?
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| More good news.
I agree with the posters above that the current side isn't that far off winning something. We have a number of key underperformers, fitness issues and a lack of preparation and consistency. I would expect our new coach and his new assistant to address these. Only a small improvement would enable us to challenge Leeds on a more even footing and to give the scousers the repeated beatings that they so richly deserve!
I haven't looked forward to a season as much as 2010 for a long time.
Bring it on!
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| Quote ="Phuzzy"Irrelevant in what sense?'"
In almost every sense you can think of.
1. The official Wigan site shows an interview of someone praising the new Wigan coach.....
2. A fellow professional coach praising another (as opposed to criticising him)
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| Quote ="LovesToSpooge"Yeah I read this in League weekly yesterday, all sounds good a lot of people have good things to say about him,really looking forward to seeing his impact on the squad and the individuals within it.
Anybody know when preseason starts and when McGuire is due to arrive?'"
Why?
D'ya fancy a game?
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| Quote ="XBrettKennyX"In almost every sense you can think of.
1. The official Wigan site shows an interview of someone praising the new Wigan coach.....
2. A fellow professional coach praising another (as opposed to criticising him)'"
And how is that irrelevant? Surely that's te very definition of relevant?
P.S. I can't think of a single sense where it would be irrelevant....
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| PHEWWWW!!!!! And there was me startig to look forward to next season... thanks for bringing me down to earth again Brett............................................................................................................................................................................................ Not.
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| What a surprise......
BrettKenny in "I don't like the new coach, just because IL appojnted him" shocker.
The only surprise to me is that you still think people care about the random words that seem to spout whenever any 2 of your 3 brain cells happen to collide.
If it's irrelevant - Don't comment.
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| Quote ="Pie Eyed"What a surprise......
BrettKenny in "I don't like the new coach, just because IL appojnted him" shocker.
The only surprise to me is that you still think people care about the random words that seem to spout whenever any 2 of your 3 brain cells happen to collide.
If it's irrelevant - Don't comment.'"
I couldn't give a monkeys if people care or not.
Btw your second to last paragraph doesn't make sense. Maybe you don't have 2 brain cells that are able to collide?
As for the relevance. It's a bit like going onto a Conservative Party forum and finding people supporting David Cameron.
Hardly a groundbreaking bit of news.
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| Quote ="XBrettKennyX"I couldn't give a monkeys if people care or not.
Btw your second to last paragraph doesn't make sense. Maybe you don't have 2 brain cells that are able to collide?
As for the relevance. It's a bit like going onto a Conservative Party forum and finding people supporting David Cameron.
Hardly a groundbreaking bit of news.'"
Awh is someone still upset that Noble rightfully got the boot?
If you love Noble that much why don’t you follow him to south Wales and make all the fans who want to SUPPORT the club and it’s new manager happy.
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| Quote ="thepriestman85"Awh is someone still upset that Noble rightfully got the boot?
If you love Noble that much why don’t you follow him to south Wales and make all the fans who want to SUPPORT the club and it’s new manager happy.'"
Who mentioned Noble? (apart from you).
This has nothing to do with Noble.
Who's the new manager?
Why would he possibly be happy if I went to South Wales?
Grow up.
Oh and btw if the "85" in your title is when you were born, then in that very same year I was at Wembley watching Wigan beat Hull in the best ever CC final.
While you were "supporting" yourself inside your mum, I was supporting Wigan RL.
I'm afraid if you want to play the "you are a poor supporter" card, you are pointing it at the wrong man.
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| Quote ="XBrettKennyX"Who mentioned Noble? (apart from you).
This has nothing to do with Noble.
Who's the new manager?
Why would he possibly be happy if I went to South Wales?
Grow up.
Oh and btw if the "85" in your title is when you were born, then in that very same year I was at Wembley watching Wigan beat Hull in the best ever CC final.
While you were "supporting" yourself inside your mum, I was supporting Wigan RL.
I'm afraid if you want to play the "you are a poor supporter" card, you are pointing it at the wrong man.'"
I'm sorry but you tell me to grow up and bang on and on about how you’ve watched Wigan for x amount of years but yet all I can see is a guy who has thrown his toys out of the pram.
Would you have posted what you did if Kearney would have been singing the praises of Noble? I doubt that very much indeed.
Now I was quite happy to hear the thoughts of a top coach in the game and listen to him sing the praises of our new coach/manager as well as the club itself. Now I can’t see why that wouldn’t be a good read for anyone who supports Wigan RLFC unless they had an agenda against the new coach or maybe even a hidden agenda against the chairman who has appointed him???
The shoe is most defiantly on the other foot now with all those who complained that others found fault in everything Noble said or did. Guess what they are the same people now doing it about MM.
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| Quote ="XBrettKennyX"That's really strange as I expected Kearney to say "MM - he's crap"...
Article is largely irrelevant imo.'"
Thus far no-one [uat all[/u has said he's crap, presumably because there's very little, if any, evidence to suggest that he is. However, you can be sure that if there was, the likes of Andy Wilson etc would have found it by now.
I don't understand what kind of 'truth' you seem to be chasing with these increasingly depressed and depressing posts of yours. But if what you really want - and God alone knows why you would - is Ian Lenagan and Michael Maguire out, I suspect you'll be waiting a very, very long time.
Possibly you should go elsewhere, pal, because you honestly and truthfully do not sound like a Wigan fan at present. Do you want to know why? Because, however you may try to deny it, or say that you don't care what anyone else thinks (and I fully expect you to do both, and won't believe the latter for a second as you'd never even respond if it was true), your tone implies that you want Maguire to fail at Wigan in order to prove that your skepticism is correct. No genuine Wigan fan would ever do that.
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| Quote ="Cruncher"Thus far no-one [uat all[/u has said he's crap, presumably because there's very little, if any, evidence to suggest that he is. However, you can be sure that if there was, the likes of Andy Wilson etc would have found it by now.
I don't understand what kind of 'truth' you seem to be chasing with these increasingly depressed and depressing posts of yours. But if what you really want - and God alone knows why you would - is Ian Lenagan and Michael Maguire out, I suspect you'll be waiting a very, very long time.
Possibly you should go elsewhere, pal, because you honestly and truthfully do not sound like a Wigan fan at present. Do you want to know why? Because, however you may try to deny it, or say that you don't care what anyone else thinks (and I fully expect you to do both, and won't believe the latter for a second as you'd never even respond if it was true), your tone implies that you want Maguire to fail at Wigan in order to prove that your skepticism is correct. No genuine Wigan fan would ever do that.'"
You do talk some nonsense "pal", perhaps you should go elsewhere and consider that? (note the punctuation btw).
I want MM to fail do I? Hmm maybe it was in this post by me
Quote ="XBrettKennyX"Massive gamble by IL.
Tbh not sure it's the right one, and I hope I am wrong.
Good luck to MM and I hope he can deliver.
I, however, WILL be the first to slate IL if he doesn't as, imo, it's a massive gamble.'"
Nope. Maybe in this one then.......
Quote ="XBrettKennyX"Listen, if we go on to win 6 trophies over the next 3 years I will be as delighted as any of you. I genuinely wish MM all the best and have absolutely no opinion about him as a person or a coach.
However, to appoint a 35 year old rookie coach with no experience of coaching a first team, to become the coach of Wigan RL, in a competition that he has no experience in, is a MASSIVE gamble, and one I am pretty sure I would not have taken.
IL will have to live or fall by this decision.
As a Wigan supporter I hope he lives with it, but if he fails then the blame is purely on his shoulders.'"
Nope. Not in there either.
The only place it seems to be is in your head Cruncher.
Maybe it's best if you consider actually reading posts before spouting your opinion and claiming it as fact?
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| Quote ="thepriestman85"I'm sorry but you tell me to grow up and bang on and on about how you’ve watched Wigan for x amount of years but yet all I can see is a guy who has thrown his toys out of the pram.
Would you have posted what you did if Kearney would have been singing the praises of Noble? I doubt that very much indeed.
Now I was quite happy to hear the thoughts of a top coach in the game and listen to him sing the praises of our new coach/manager as well as the club itself. Now I can’t see why that wouldn’t be a good read for anyone who supports Wigan RLFC unless they had an agenda against the new coach or maybe even a hidden agenda against the chairman who has appointed him???
The shoe is most defiantly on the other foot now with all those who complained that others found fault in everything Noble said or did. Guess what they are the same people now doing it about MM.'"
Of course you were.
And that is exactly why the club posted it.
I bet you believe all you watch on the BBC too?
The point I made had nothing to do with personalities, MM, BN, IL - whoever.
It was a point (missed by many who claim to be far more intelligent than you, so don't worry), about the relevance of the article. i.e. what did it actually add to our knowledge?
If you didn't "get" the point I was making, then tbh just ignore it, I doubt you ever will. Ignore it and move on, I know I shall be doing just that.
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| Quote ="XBrettKennyX" snip '"
How can you offer someone your support and then offer to tear them to shreds if they dont pull it off?
Cant get my head round that logic
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| Quote ="tugglesf78"How can you offer someone your support and then offer to tear them to shreds if they dont pull it off?
Cant get my head round that logic'"
I offer support to the coach. I offer support to the team. I hope that the gamble by IL pays off.
However, it is not one I personally would have made. Therefore I will feel justified in criticism if it doesn't come off. That thought process is entirely logical.
However, if you honestly think that I want Wigan to "fail" over the next 3 years just so I can make a "I told you so" point on an internet message board, then you and I really have different perspectives on life.
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| Quote ="XBrettKennyX"I offer support to the coach. I offer support to the team. I hope that the gamble by IL pays off.
However, it is not one I personally would have made. Therefore I will feel justified in criticism if it doesn't come off. That thought process is entirely logical.
However, if you honestly think that I want Wigan to "fail" over the next 3 years just so I can make a "I told you so" point on an internet message board, then you and I really have different perspectives on life.'"
The gamble will come off, i have a good record in predicting success or failure of a coach as you will know.
Looks like the tables have totally turned, i understand your stance holding a similar one for Noble myself, but i also have a feeling you may well be proved wrong once MM hold of the team.
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| Quote ="XBrettKennyX"
I offer support to the coach. I offer support to the team. I hope that the gamble by IL pays off.
However, it is not one I personally would have made. Therefore I will feel justified in criticism if it doesn't come off. That thought process is entirely logical.
However, if you honestly think that I want Wigan to "fail" over the next 3 years just so I can make a "I told you so" point on an internet message board, then you and I really have different perspectives on life.'"
It reads to me that you feel justified in criticism whether it comes off or not. He hasn't arrived yet and you've cast all sorts of doubt on the wisdom of such a 'gamble'. Would it have been less of a gamble to retain the services of a man who in three and a half years at Wigan couldn't even get the team fit? No-one else on Earth but you seems to think so.
As I said, I fully expected you to deny that you want Wigan to fail. But if you want people to believe it, I suggest that you give Ian Lenagan and Mchael Maguire your enthusiastic, vociferoius and unconditional support until they've proved beyond any doubt that it would be misplaced. Starting now.
PS: I wouldn't expect this of any other Wigan fan. But you, I fear, have much more to prove than all the others.
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| Quote ="XBrettKennyX"
However, if you honestly think that I want Wigan to "fail" over the next 3 years just so I can make a "I told you so" point on an internet message board, then you and I really have different perspectives on life.'"
Please tell me where in my post do i make any of the above statements. I view your opinion with an open mind, hence why i have asked you to explain your logic. nothing more, nothing less.
Based on your last post you are either rooting for a fight or paranoid. Which is it?
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| Quote ="Cruncher"1. It reads to me that you feel justified in criticism whether it comes off or not.
He hasn't arrived yet and you've cast all sorts of doubt on the wisdom of such a 'gamble'. 2. Would it have been less of a gamble to retain the services of a man who in three and a half years at Wigan couldn't even get the team fit? No-one else on Earth but you seems to think so.
3. As I said, I fully expected you to deny that you want Wigan to fail.
4. But if you want people to believe it,
5. I suggest that you give Ian Lenagan and Mchael Maguire your enthusiastic, vociferoius and unconditional support until they've proved beyond any doubt that it would be misplaced. Starting now.
6. PS: I wouldn't expect this of any other Wigan fan. But you, I fear, have much more to prove than all the others.'"
1. Well that's all that matters how it reads to YOU.
2. Irrelevant venting.
3. Why would I not deny something that is not my personal opinion?
4. I've told you I honestly don't care if people believe me or not
5. Thanks for your suggestion. I choose to ignore it.
6. I have nothing to prove...to anyone.
Now should I launch into a personal attack on you Cruncher as you seemingly have done on me?
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| Quote ="tugglesf78"Please tell me where in my post do i make any of the above statements. I view your opinion with an open mind, hence why i have asked you to explain your logic. nothing more, nothing less.
Based on your last post you are either rooting for a fight or paranoid. Which is it?'"
Apologies Tuggles, I posted a reply to the wrong person.
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| Quote ="XBrettKennyX"1. Well that's all that matters how it reads to YOU.
2. Irrelevant venting.
3. Why would I not deny something that is not my personal opinion?
4. I've told you I honestly don't care if people believe me or not
5. Thanks for your suggestion. I choose to ignore it.
6. I have nothing to prove...to anyone.
Now should I launch into a personal attack on you Cruncher as you seemingly have done on me?'"
Look chum, it’s pathetically easy for you to keep prevaricating in this way and thereby refusing to deal with the main issue, which has become your apparent desire for Wigan to do badly in the next few years so that you can then say: “Ya boo, I was right all along.”
Now is this or is this not the case? If it is not the case, desist from barging into these threads with your silly prophecies of doom, which are apparently based on nothing more than an extremely odd and misguided loyalty to the former coach, and which, if I may say so, reveal a very deep ignorance on your part with regard to rugby league football.
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| Quote ="XBrettKennyX"Of course you were.
And that is exactly why the club posted it.
I bet you believe all you watch on the BBC too?
The point I made had nothing to do with personalities, MM, BN, IL - whoever.
It was a point (missed by many who claim to be far more intelligent than you, so don't worry), about the relevance of the article. i.e. what did it actually add to our knowledge?
If you didn't "get" the point I was making, then tbh just ignore it, I doubt you ever will. Ignore it and move on, I know I shall be doing just that.'"
For your eduction and edification BK. The addition to our knowledge base is neither a prerequisite nor, indeed, included in any part of the definition of the word 'relevance'. You are misusing the word. The fact that this was a piece aout the Wigan coach posted on the Wigan website makes it entirely relevant.
However to address the point of it not adding anything to our knowledge base, I suggest you read it again as it tells us from a first hand perspective (Kearney having worked alongside Mcguire) about his approach and professionalism. What exactly do you want from a news item on a rugby website? The cure for cancer?
For your further education, the punctuation in the following should be:
You do talk some nonsense "pal", perhaps you should go elsewhere and consider that? (note the punctuation btw).
You do talk some nonsense "pal". Perhaps you should go elsewhere and consider that?
Please stop criticising people for things as inconsequential as punctuation. It ill becomes someone who constantly claims the high ground.
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