I didn't go to the game, it was my son's presentation night.

Ironic really , because as we were getting texted the scores through, Andy Gregory was doing the presentations, and was telling a little anecdote - Wigan signed a new player, and the lad asked Greg what the winning bonus was. Greg replied £500 a match, the lad asked what the losing pay was, Greg replied, don't know son, I've only been here 2 yearsicon_wink.gif

Tongue in cheek I know, but on Satuday night, it really marked the decline for me.

No, i understand what your saying, but if/when the change is made, i want it to be a well thought out long term chance, not just this "give it to wane" guff.

felt the same beginning of last season so not been a single game this year and so glad i haven't.

And i tell you something for free i don't miss it one little bit i still watch all the sky games at home or in the pub because i love the game but have fallen completly out of love with Wigan Rugby League im afraid.

Giving the job to Wane could end up being a mistake. Or it could turn out to be the best move this clubs done in years nobody knows the out come.

The fact is something needs to be done about the current situation.And if thats taking a risk on Wane then i'm 100% behind the idea

In truth i have had a feeling of apathy towards Wigan for the last couple of years. The few peaks have been enjoyable but generally as much as i love the sport as a code, i also find myself drifting away from it at times.

The World Cup combined with the Wigan performances of this year have really taken my enthusiasm for the game, i go to watch most other clubs throughout the course of the year and again generally i think the entertainment is not up to what it has been in the past.

I no longer buy the Rugby League weeklies, which i used to buy religiously, rarely would i not go to a game over the course of a round, now i find myself looking at other options.

I still am thankfully glued to the NRL coverage, but regards SL it just seems to be in a rut that i cannot get excited about.

Pretty much sums it up for me.

We knew all this pretty early on in the season and have wasted yet another season "transitioning" or whatever bull phrase is en vogue this week. I only hope Lenegan has a long term plan that at the moment he can't divulge.

I know exactly what you mean Jonh, but please don't tell me you're swaying to Union!

I played both and have always found union to be a very dull sport indeed, and certainly have taken no interest in the Guinness Premiership, despite having a few mates who play in it.

I did however one night recently catch the highlights show on one of the obscure ITV channels, and while i appreciate it is only highlights was impressed with what i saw, regards the skill level and pace of the attacks leading to try's. I appreciate there is a lot of dross that is cut out in the highlights real but it still did not remove from the clinical nature of the try's they scored, the skills involved in it and the angles they ran to generate the space. It was like watching rugby league of 5-10 years ago.

I have had a few freebie offers from my mates to go watch England at HQ, never considered it before but if asked again i think i will go. I would never pay to watch it mind.

In truth i have found myself more drawn to the grass routes game of League, really enjoyed getting out and watching the kids prior to them going into the pro systems and having all there flair, pace and enthusiasm coached out of them, most of the games i have seen i have enjoyed far more than anything Sl has had to offer this year.

I do,

I have been a season ticket holder every year since 1988 (appart for 96)
and of those seasons i have only missed about 20 games including world club champs in Aus.

I used to look forward to game day from about tuesday, and it would ruin my weekend if we lost.

However last year and certanly this year, i to be honest dont really care, yes i enjoy it when we win, although due to circumstances i am still waiting to go to a game where i see us win.

However when we loose, i just dont feel anything anymore, I just feel that if the players dont care, why should i bother?

Its not just about loosing, 2006 was one of my favorite seasons, its the manor in which the club is being run (from a coaching point of view), that is making me loose interest.

I am not renewing my season ticket next year, i will just pick and choose my games, may go against saints warrington and leeds, but thats going to be about it, and to be honest, if i have anything else even remotly entertaining that weekend i probably wont be at the game.

I realise that im only 1 man, and my contribution to the club is minimal, as apart from a season ticket i dont buy anything else (shirts, t-shirts, programmes etc). But the gennerall apathy from the lads who i go with (about 20 of us) we are all doing the same next year, so thats 21 season tickets not being bought, and i bet many on here will feel the same.

Sorry for the length of the post.

Couldnt agree anymore.
Well and truely bored of watching us and Im generally bored of rugby too

8 teams in a playoff system, absolute farce.
75% of the season means nothing and its showing. All the games I have seen this season, both watching wigan and on sky have been boring

heart is going

I don't think its Wigan its the game as a whole. They brought the cap in but fact is if we'd have a top wins the title system Saints won be on course for a sixth consecutive championship and a fourth consecutive Challenge Cup this year. That's a Salary Cap working according the GMR commentary lads and those Sky pundits.

Like I said in the other thread I geniunely believe it's the Aussie imports that are ruining our game for all clubs. There are odd gems but most of not better than what we have. The NRL is equally as poor for me.

I don't want to go back to the days of when Wigan dominated, I don't want to see any side dominate, but in those days all the other sides had quality players as well. Don't think that's the case today. That test match may have been a walkover on Saturday but on paper I'm embarrassed by it.

A passage from the Wigan Reporter article last week: -

The feeling is spreading like swine flu. If we keep with the same going into next season, It will be reflected in the season ticket sales. You can have the best marketing team but if your selling cr*p, you wont have many buyers.

I posted after the Wakefield home game that my brother and nephew (not father and son) said it was abysmal and would not go again. People thought this was a premature decision but it has proved to be an enlightened decision and the rest of us who have remained loyal have had to put up with too much dross with only 2 or 3 enjoyable games.
I have been exceptionally lucky this season in regard to away games.
I've been to Harlequins, Murrayfield, Barrow, Warrington (friendly) and Wakefield (twice), seeing Wigan win each game. I have not been to any other away games. And I don't think I'll be going to any more unless we get a new coach.
I feel sorry for the fans who go to each away game. It isn't the losing. It's the manner in which we lose.
I've still to watch a team that doesn't have more planned moves than Wigan. Every team moves it wide along the backline, with 2 dummy runners, creating an overlap for their winger. It's obvious they have all copied this move. Why don't we!
I think the players get battered with our style of rugby and react by having a 'rest' in certain games ( e.g. Celtic away)
I was talking to an ex-professional who said he got fed up of getting battered and would rest himself some weeks (on the pitch). If we played a more expansive game with dummy runners we wouldn't get roughed up by gang tackles because the opposition wouldn't know who was receiving the ball

Hmm, not so sure about that. Every side in the competition (possibly with the exception of Celtic) has a player that would get in the Saints team. Don't think you could say that about the old Wigan sides. Maybe it's my memory though.

You have players like Burgess, Menzies, Morley, Mogg, Bird, Myler etc who aren't even in a playoff team.

Here we again but I blame the RFL, if we could just bring in some simple rules where by you can only have 3 overseas players, ie dont have british passports by 2011, and the 3 overseas players couldn't be of the same positions, meaning we as a club had to develop players for all positions.

There are a few questions asked in the League Express today in the Leeds v Huddersfield match report.
Basically what they are saying is that the teams are levelling out but the standard is levelling down.

I'm not surprised the level in that game was down without McGuire, Peacock, Hall, Moore and Crabtree.

I listened to it and it did sound very poor though.

i think he means levels are dropping across the board, not in that particular game

could be wrong though

I do, I was using that game as an example.

Noble may well have to leave now for the sake of the club and for himself imo.

I’d still like Wayne in until the end of the season just because no matter what he would do with team or what style we’d play under him we’d at least know he’d show the commitment and Wigan spirit we are currently lacking.

He shouldn’t get the job any longer than this season but I can’t see what extra damage he could inflict on us what Noble already isn’t doing now.

There is all this talk about the ‘Wigan RLFC’ culture being eroded to the point where newly retired players like Rads can’t see the same club which they left and I’d hope that appointing an ex player like Wayne would enable us to start clawing some of that spirit back. It would certainly make our next seasons coach’s job a hell of a lot easier if some of the hard work was done on the players attitudes now before he came in.

Who ever comes in next season I sincerely hope they A-have new ideas, B-are a firm disciplinarian and C- Bring in some new coaches behind the scenes and maybe appoint a local ex player to be his assistant in the same way Mike Greg came through. We need that type of no nonsense professional coach who will give a massive bollocking when it’s needed.

I know that, just think it was a poor example with the players missing but I see your point, it sounded awful.

I'm not here to take the micheal, honest.

Just to say: stick with it. That's the measure of a true fan. You've had worse times (losing to Fulham in the old 2nd division while the posh end of the borough were winning the league), and sure you've had plenty of much better times (World Club Champs in Brisbane is what I'd regard as your finest hour).

All sport it cyclical. It may get worse, it will get better. We're having our worse season for a fair while over at LSV, but we're positively bouyant compared to Keighley, Bramley, Rochdale, Swinton etc. Maybe it's not working out for Nobby, maybe you need a regime change, maybe it hurts when trolls like me pop out from under national league bridges to point and laugh.

But what you do need, now more than ever, is to turn up, take your medicine, support your team through the down times no matter how bad it gets, so you can claim your share of success when it comes around again. None of this 'I'm not going again' malarky. True fans know this and, regardless of the banter I'm happy to chuck at you from time to time, you piemunchers do have a lot of true fans.

Pip pip!

I said several times at the start of the season that we need a major clear-out at the club, that standards had slipped across the board and was criticised by a number of people (BK in particular I recall criticised me for suggesting BN should be sacked!).

I said then and I'll say again that what we need most of all is for IL to set an ambitious agenda - to take this great club back to the top of world RL - and to start demanding nothing less than the best from everyone at the club. If people aren't 100% up for this winning culture he needs to part company with them,ASAP.

We really need IL to make a public declaration of his intent to make this great club successful again and to take decisive action to change things. Just replacing BN won't be enough (though it would be a good start).