There's only one Charlie Seeling

Well said that man.

It was a game that allowed the academy grade players to get a game, like Smith.

Somebody has to educate you boys



They released me from the asylum

I've never been away BTW

That's not strictly true though Conroy.

Amos makes plenty of mistakes and he's not criticised. Phelps gets an easy ride too. After a vgood game v saints I thought the old Phelps returned today. I mean had his name been Goulding and he had not passed in the first half can you imagine the uproar.

I thought Sam might have passed to Gleeson 2nd half when he made a good break.

Well he certainly does near me

Phelps did not have a perfect game today but IMO his ability to come into the line in attack looks very promising. I would like to see him get a proper run at full back as I think he could do a very good job for us.

Richards is as steady as they come but doesnt offer anything going forward IMO. As a team we have been lacking options going forward for some time and IMO Phelps could go some way to answering those questions...

Ainscough was rested today...no issue hes a young lad getting used to the physical side of Super League. When we play a top side he is going to be the first name on the team sheet as a strike rate simply cannot be ignored as it is one of the few weapons we have going forward.

I disagree totally with what Rogues is saying because mistakes or no mistakes the lad has been a revelation for us and deserves to play. He'll be back in the 13 next week - no issues.

I always call it as I see it.

I don't believe young and Wigan produced is always best.

I watch enough of all our teams to form an opinion (which some may disagree with)

Ainscough has done some good things but made schoolboy errors, which he is far more capable of eradicating.

I was critical of some aspects of Darrell Gouldings play, maybe I expect too much.

No, I expect week on week improvement and not to make the same errors continually.

As I said Mathers and Pryce have been crucified on here for similar indiscretions.

Phelps never broke a tackle though chaps? Whatsmore, he was downright greedy on more than one occasion. He's like Mathers for me. Looks keen but does not cut it.

At least with Amos you can see an element of class.

Watch the game again. His link up play coming into the line looks very very good. I agree not the perfect game from him but he looks promising. The thing is though I dont think Noble will drop Famous Amos or Paat for him.

Had Roberts/Pryce/Mathers/Phelps made the two clangers that Shaun did against Hudds then they would have been hung, drawn, quartered, castrated and fed to the pigs on here.

Shaun is undoubtedly a talent, but if Saints can bring Eastmond into the team slowly then why can't we? The backline of Phelps, Roberts and Richards did nothing wrong today and so the decision was a good one.

Maybe but Ainscoughs pro's far far outweigh his cons which is why he should be in the starting 13. I agree with giving him a week off as hes a young lad we need to look after. He'll be back in the 13 next week.

Hang on a minute. When Ainscough (and Tomkins) got their chances there were calls on here to be patient and not slag them off for mistakes. Quite right too. Those players you mention are all far more experienced than Ainscough so what would be the problem in having a go at them had they made such mistakes?

Sorry but you just don't have a worthwhile point here IMO.

If you want to talk about crucifying players as has been mentioned Goulding would have been hung out to dry had he played like Phelps today. That is a far more meaningful comparison.



Not paying Ainscough today was another Noble balls up. IMO Richards didn't look fit yet was risked. Celtic were no threat and Ainscough would have had a field day and we would have all enjoyed it. If Ainscough needs resting then it needs to be done in "the Big One" v Leeds or at Murrayfield v Saints. Games like that. That is a meaningful rest where this duty of care nonsense might gain some creditability.

The game today was made for Ainscough.

Dave

Fixed your typo.

Dave

How do they contradict each other?

Had the two mistakes that Shaun made against Hudds (the first being at 12-10) been made by Roberts/Phelps/Pryce then there would have been countless threads on here calling them every name under the sun.

Today when Sam made an error nobody shouted abuse at him, yet when Piggy/Roberts/Smith/Hock/Lockers/Fielden etc etc made one there was.

It's the Wigan fan mentality that I mentioned on another thread. They either like you or they don't and they usally make their minds up after 5 minutes.