Good post memory.

No player goes out to play badly on purpose. And it certainly doesnt help with people booing at the first sign of the game not going our way, the way we as fans should react is to cheer our team on try to lift their game rather than pull them further down as is the case. I believe that if the crowd on sunday had "attempted" to lift the players then the result couldve been different. DOnt get me wrong they are professional and should play as best they can however we all know how verbal support can push you that extra mile!

Basically many fans seem very eaager to get on the players back at the first available option.

Mathers confidence is shot and who can blame him when you have 14,000 blaming you for almost everythig that is wrong with the team. The ironic clapping really doesnt help either.

Chances are he might loose his fullback spot now, if he doesnt how about we try a little supportive cheering rather than Bol$£cking the lad.

I have to agree with Memony. I was taken aback when I joined this forum re the negativity.

Class

Glad you noticed it too Rogues. I thought I was becoming paranoid.

if yas could replace mathers with any full back who would it be?

I'd take a British full-back, if Chris Ashton were ever to return to RL, personally I'd take him.

He's not much of a defender, but then neither is Mathers. And at least Ashton knows his way to the line - from virtually anywhere on the field. Would I take him back? Erm, yes - no question.

Your right when you say he isn't a good defender, but neither is he a bad one. He linked into the attacking play superbly when he was at Wigan. That said, I'm still hoping Mathers will prove everyone wrong this season, however unlikely that may seem.

I'd live up to our names and eat humble pie.

I'd take him back.

how many threads have we seen about coleys dire performance ? none
yet mathers get strips torn off him again after just 1 game of 09 ?

its been said the fans allways have a boo boy , and mathers is defo it , some of it being totally unjustified at times ,

from the way this board has gone this week you would think mathers was at fault for every try wakey scored , all the ball we dropped , the lack of moves , the lack of direction and leadership etc etc

lets get things into perspective

Completely agree.

Coley was average at best last season, and in some parts just dire. The only thing he had going for him was that he was ever-present. Mathers, although some he does deserve, is officially Wigan RL Fans boo boy. An unjustified tag IMHO.

practice what you preach then your one of the worsed mate

Chris Ashton was really a one off talent. If he had stayed and worked on his defence he could of easily become one of the best fullbacks around. His attacking game was awesome.

Do we still hold Ashtons RL registration ??? I've been told we do.

Search Richard Moore on youtube. He actually runs away from him.

Sorry no thanks - even if you ignore the rumours about him disrupting training sessions he seemed to just give up when he had signed for Northampton.

His head was turned by Northampton and the £££. The training sessions and lack of effort came after that. Whilst unforgivable it could be forgotten if he came back and his defence was sorted. His attack was potentially world class.

In his time at Wigan one player has performed several cowardly acts, one highlighted again on Sunday with the trip, the worst was the hit on Matt King.

Newton performed a cowardly act on Long just like Pryce has done in the past.

If players perform cowardly acts why should they not be highlighted?

Agree that his head was turned by Northampton and the reported salary he was offered. He went to pot after that.
So was Karl Pryce's too, he was pretty poor after he realised what union were offering.
He's a talented lad and scored one of the best Wigan tries at KR for a long while some years ago.
Is he still out of the Union first team?
I do hope Wigan have his registration.
Would I have him back? Yes without question!
Be good if he came back after their season ends, if not before!

I gave him a chance last year and still hoped this year that he would find his feet , but when he bottled it when they kicked through that was it for me the ball was not even 50/50 . He should be dropped for that alone fullback is a vital role he is one of the weakest I've seen in the shirt wish it was not true but it is . I will not boo the team or a player and I wont cheer ironically at him catching a bomb but he's shot as a player at the moment and should not play .....simple .

Let's be honest, part of the whole reason we're in this current hole is because of the amount of talent we have let go over the past few years. We've always chased the quick fix and brought in overpaid, second rate Aussies and even english players to some extent and let homegrown players just leave. Briscoe, Ashton, Robinson, Wild, Gilmore. Hell, even Aspinwall and Brown could still be getting a game in this current squad....

None of them would get a game.

I dissagree mathers is anything but safe at full back..offers nothing in attack..makes glareing errors (remember wikin making him look stupid) plus others one on one situations he is terrible..he looks scared!...then we get to 2 sending off's plus a 2 match ban for tripping in his first game..come on is it any wonder he gets the stick he does!..Coley might not be great (average at best) but he is involved in the game more than mathers. for me mathers = liability..we can't afford that at full back...scary thought once our line of defence is broken all we have to rely on is mathers..can you honestly say you feel confident mathers will deal with the situation? remember he has had most of his first season and his warm up games this season to prove a point..has he done so? I don't think he has come close.

I would agree with that.

Also I would say that maybe one or two of them have not gone as far as they could as we sold them to clubs they may not have got the most out of them like we may have done if we had kept a few from that list.

Not gone as far as they could as other clubs have not made the most of them? Are you serious? Over the last few seasons I think younger players will have been glad to leave and go to a place that puts some value on them and actually gives them a game. They might not be reaching finals but then neither are we.

As to the original list how may times does it get dragged up completely out of context and not taking into account the circumstances at the time they left?

The best example is Briscoe. The 20/20 was in force then and Rads at full back. It was nothing other than a sensible decision on his part to leave given the lack of opportunity he would have had here and that lack of opportunity was not due to not dropping off form players and so on as is the case with many of of younger players now.

Ashton was offered mega bucks to move on and the rest would not get a game in the current squad anyway. There have been IMO a couple of unlucky players who were let go but that is it.

Dave

I can't blame younger players for wanting to leave. Take Liam Colburn for example he is at an age where he needs first team rugby and good luck to him for making the the move.

I guess what I meant was that if we approached youth development in the same way as Saints and Leeds and breed youngsters for our first team rather than block the path signing average Aussies some players careers may have been a bit different.