Intelligent input, darling!



Oh i thought you were referencing Leeds and Brian Mac last year



If you meant Wildcats, I do apologise.

You are right about the fans. I wouldn't begrudge any fans complaining a little bit (not too much- this thread about Lima's punishment may have gone too far and also an almost one hundred page thread on the shirts) As i said, i thought you meant Leeds moaned last year. At the start of the year when all their problems came, they didn't make excuses. Sinfield even said in the beeb they need to do better themselves and it was no one else's fault.

It is a good attitude to have. I would be disappointed if T.S used the injuries as an excuse for losing ( I am fairly certain he wouldn't though)

Leeds don't need to complain about bans or dodgby reffing decisions in the main as they get what they want in the main so theres no need to.

Hopefully our fans will move on from this now. We've lost him but we've all been saying how much depth we have in our squad and especially in the forwards so nows the time to prove it. Somebody made a very good point that with Lima being banned it will mean an extra place in the squad for a player that helped us achieve success in 2010 and thats nice in a way.

I have to admit that that's the one thing I genuinely don't understand. I really can't see anything wrong with that tackle having watched several times and, whilst I'm prepared to accept the guilty plea of the offender as proof that 'something' went on, for the disciplinary to comment that it was 'worse' just seems bizarre. Either I (and I suspect many others) don't know what a chicken wing tackle really is or, more likely, that particular instance wasn't a 'chicken wing' in the traditional sense but was more 'putting unneccessary pressure on the shoulder joint' or something similar. One thing I'm fairly convinced of after viewing both incidents is that they aren't the same tackle or, as far as I can tell, offence. Then again, maybe I'm wrong!

The suggestions about bias against Wigan and favouritism towards Leeds etc are remarkably childish (as they are when fans of any club start it). Anybody care to provide any actual evidence of said bias, other than their view about the treatment of their own player compared with somebody else? Opinions. Everybody has them, and the most biased people in the world are - lets face it - fans of each team.

I can't stand Jon Wilkin, but players know what's going on. If he felt it was a deliberate attempt to cause him some damage after being tackled then he has every right to complain to the ref or after the match. Players do it any time they get bitten as well (although sometimes they don't follow through).

One point that may (or may not) have been mentioned on here is that the wrestling/chicken wing stuff has long been complained about regarding the Storm - call it whingeing if you like but some very tough NRL players have publicly complained about the whole team on numerous occasions. I seem to recall quite a few comments about players 'hating' to play the Storm because it was felt they deliberately went out with the intent to cause seious injury to the opposition (chokeholds being another Storm favourite). I just wonder if part of this sentence was to warn Lima to leave that behind him?

Awesome. As if Lima's sentence wasn't enough, now we've got to tolerate being lectured by a Loiner, who just happens to be an Aussie as well.

Life doesn't get much better than this.

Some interesting comments from Madge in today's WEP, plus interesting comments on legal representation at the disciplinary panel - I won't post them on here though so as not to encourage the usual trolling!

This is rubbish but what everyone has to remember is he did two things. If he only did one then I would say the 2 matches would be extreme but he did two. He has a match ban for each in effect and that is not an unfair situation all things considered.

Read the post by Fames about 5 or 6 places above yours if you want some evidence.

is there really 17 pages on this????????

Yes, please do read what I wrote on a previous page!

Can Leeds, Saints or Wire fans actually quote any example of where one of their players may have been dealt harshly by either a referee or the RFL last year or where a Wigan player was dealt with leniently? I can only think of when Lockers may have been deemed to go high/late on Luke Robinson in the Huddersfield away game.

Contrast that with the list I quoted that Wandering Warrior is referring to - no doubt there would be others too. The 7/8 I quoted were off the top of my head.

And please don't say it's because Saints/Leeds /Warrington players never indulge in foul play....! As IL says, it's consistency that we all want. Let's see what happens when Morley, Bailey, Peacock, Wilkin etc commit an illegal challenge/dangerous attack to the head......

Given Lima was banned with the MINIMUM tariff possible for two offences he pleaded GUILTY to, I think some of the conspiracy theorists need to move on.

For a start I'm not an Aussie. I would like to thank the people who have responded to my (and others') post with 'evidence' that consists of again their views on the supposed leniency of the judiciary towards other clubs. Asking me or anyone else to provide opinions as to leniency in other cases as though it is some kind of 'evidence' of anything proves the point entirely.

The main things we need from the Disciplinary are transparency (and the fact the RFL publish findings is a good thing) and consistency. The RFL should go to the stage of putting in place the NRL system of using points rather than match bans etc. After every round in the NRL, players are charged with offences which are graded and given points. They can lessen points by pleading guilty or they can go to the tribunal and risk an increase (weighed against the chances of getting off). Players then accrue points over time, so a rookie would not necessarily face the same 'sentence' as other players for the same offence. The point is, whilst it's still judgement-based, everybody knows the score, fans and players alike. There are still disputes, but far less than we get in SL.

The RFL seems to use most of this system but not the points part. I don't understand why.

www.superleague.co.uk/article.php?id=21043 Murphy Wins appeal...

www.superleague.co.uk/article.php?id=21043 Murphy Wins appeal...

Just rewatched the Wilkin tackle and whilst it doesn't look as bad as the first one it's still a chicken wing.

Having said that, despite not buying into the conspiracy regarding Lima's charge and ban, rewatching the game has flagged umpteen dodgy decisions at crucial areas on the field...

Lima just needs to tidy his technique up. he did not have a lot of game time last year and he is adjusting to the speed or lack of compared to the NRL.

Bring back the biff. Always good to have a bit of a fear factor in your team.

Here we go again with the "watched it from another angle"

Got sick of that with Leeds last year!

They had DVD evidence. Why didn't they watch it from all angles before making an initial decision?!

I think Wigan are doing the absolute correct thing though in not appealing. I also think that Lima should have received the 2 match ban but I have to say they need to sort out this consistency.

I will wait to see a Leeds player get cited and see what they give them to see if they've moved on or continued in the same vein as last year. Saints may look to get unfair decisions in comparison to us at times but thats the referees ignorance (Graham at the GF for example) not so much the disciplinary. They favoured Cunningham though without a doubt but thats nothing to do with Saints that was just player favouritism.

i thought it was an interesting reply about a players technique coached into him by his previous club..

Thats a decent post with some good points.
In my opinion the RFL should have a list of all possible offences and what the punishment is if your caught by the ref or on tape. If you repeat the same offence three times (or maybe four times for younger players to give them chance to learn) the punishment doubles. Every player gets this list and its made available on the RFL site for fans to view. Everybody knows the punishment for every offence then and theres no grey areas whatsoever. Balls to all this appeal crap because its pointless. Every player & team gets treated the same this way.

I think it's a fair and reasonable suspension.
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When you read that it could have been much worse. I just the same treatment is applied to all the other players who appear before the committee, so that the clubs, players and spectators can see a consistent approach.

I can't be d reading all this. Absolutely love Lenagans comments though, he's clearly sick of the bent appeals procedure and is waiting for the chance to make an outburst about it. I've got a feeling we won't have to wait too long.

Spot on.

If there's consistency across the board, no-one has a case for feeling aggrieved.

Agree mate and no sooner than its said a category c 2 game ban gets over turned!!!

Cant wait for tonights and sat nights games to pinpoint the chicken wing tackles that dont get picked up!
Wonder who Wilkin is going to tell on this week!

annoyed me this because wen ganson saw the one in his game that player hasnt got anything these rules need sorting