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| Quote ="Paul Youane"Thing is though that Saints aren't being "Leeds like" at the minute. Leeds finished fifth because in the seasons in question they had other matters to concentrate during the regular season. Both years they peaked massively early in the season for the World Club Championship and reached the Challenge Cup Final in both seasons. Inevitably when you have games like those to play in you focus on them and if players are carrying knocks prior to them they will be rested (nothing new in that clubs have been doing that for years on end around the CC Final). Warrington have lost the game the week before their all their recent CC Finals, including a 50+ point drubbing by London and a home defeat to Wakefield, both those defeats potentially sacrificing the lead leaders shield, there were few complaints when the Challenge Cup was being lifted.
Saints are fifth because that where they deserve to be on performances (if not lower) either way they won't being winning anything and if anybody thinks different I've got plenty of money that I would be willing to back my assertion with.
The league leaders shield is ranked third of the three available trophies - that's a fact. However when Warrington won it is was massive for the players and the club. Nobody has accused Warrington of being in-consistent since then. The same as it will be massive for the Huddersfield club and fans if the they go on (as they should) and seal the top position. It will be no less important to them just because its easy for the fans of teams like Wigan and Saints (and unbelievably arrogant Warrington fans given our previous 50 years before the last 3) to talk down the importance of one of only three available trophies just because this year their team won't be winning it.'"
Completely agree. Others who don't are either to hung up on when they've missed out previously or worried that they aren't good enough to win it in future.
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| My post wasn't about Wigan, or the game, they are simply an example, a part of the bigger picture which is an ongoing problem, how the RFL is ran managed.
As much as I hate to say it, I see why Wane rested Sam and Lockers, winning the league used to mean something, now it doesn't.
Sadly fans are the ones who miss out, i'm pleased if some enjoyed the game (I'm thinking of it from a neutral perspective) but let's face it, it's never the game it should be if our two best players aren't playing.
If the league meant everything, they would have certainly played.
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| Quote ="nohalfbacks"There have plenty of occasions over that period. I remember well the Wigan Widnes top of the table do or die clash in 1991? when 30,000 locked into Central Park for a sizzling match which had everybody on the edge of their seats for the whole game. That was the year Wigan played several games in just over a week and went into the Widnes game with most of the team carrying injuries. I remember that Andy Gregory was very doubtful but he was given several injections before the game and played! That was because it was vital to win the game. With the current SL set up there was absolutely no way Wigan were going to give ST injections and risk him before the CC final. How times have changed. '"
Wasn't that the year that Wigan rested 12 of their CC Final starting 13 for the game the week before the final?
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| Quote ="Les Norton"I assume you've not read any of the other posts from your fellow fans with regard to last nights game?, you know, all those others posters expressing their obvious disappointment at Wigans' performance last night?
It appears your in denial.'"
About what exactly?
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| Quote ="JCWWRL"problem with having a heritage shirt that would of tied in with the theme of it being the 1983 seaon is that it would be exactly the same as the kit we wear anyway or atleast as last seasons. its pretty difficult to make a heritage shirt when we are wear the traditional cherry and white hoops anyway the last two seasons. this may be possible next season, if i remember correctly we are having a non traditional kit next season in a 3 year cycle that was spoken about when the 2011 kit was released.'"
Never a bad time to help a charity. I'm sure it could have been planned to feature a shirt modernised from a past era. Milwaukee for example?
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| Quote ="Paul Youane"Wasn't that the year that Wigan rested 12 of their CC Final starting 13 for the game the week before the final?'"
I don't know about that but they certainly didn't rest players for the end of season league games when it mattered. Now that the LLS has gone they will probably rest the whole team next week at Catalans.
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| Quote ="Asgardian13"When exactly were these 'good old days'? I've been watching RL since 1965 and I don't remember them. Before SL, no-one cared about the league, all the glamour, fame and money were in the Challenge Cup. Also, as many others have pointed out repeatedly, RL has, for the vast majority of its history, decided the Champions by a play-off system of one kind or another. Nothing new at all in the SL play-offs.
Last night was a great game between two fully committed sides which the better team won.'"
When winning the league actually meant something. Now it's about the CC and GF. You can finish far from 1st and still be crowned champions at the end of the season.
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| Quote ="GIANT DAZ"Well we certainly thought it was ......massive occasion for us , but i guess it depends on which team you support'"
Don't you, as a Huddersfield fan think it took the shine off the game knowing you beat a Wigan side minus it's two best players? It's like celebrating beating a boxer with one arm tied behind his back.
Wigan clearly don't care about the league, it means nothing, if they did Sam and Lockers would have played and it would have been a different story.
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| Quote ="just_browny"19000 people obviously thought it was a big enough occasion to show up for. If your thick-as-pig coach didn't think it worth putting out a full-strength side then perhaps that's where you should point the finger. As ever a game that Wigan lose is meaningless, and not like the halcyon days where Wigan won.'"
OP was about the sport, not the game or either coach.
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| Quote ="nohalfbacks"I don't know about that but they certainly didn't rest players for the end of season league games when it mattered. Now that the LLS has gone they will probably rest the whole team next week at Catalans.'"
I can assure you its correct (and if it isn't then blame that Bilko guy) and it wasn't for an end of season league game that didn't matter. It was for the first round of the Premiership - a knock-out game which saw Wigan knocked-out of that competition because these players were rested. However there wouldn't have been any outrage because fans knew that the Challenge Cup was a more important trophy to win than the old Premiership Trophy was, just as now the Challenge Cup is more important than the league leaders shield. It didn't mean the Premiership Trophy was meaningless (Wire fans still go on about winning it in 1986) just as now the League Leaders Shield isn't meaningless. It just isn't top of the pecking order.
As for Wane resting the whole Wembley team for next week's game at Catalans then given the travelling involved, the stay away from home, disruption to routine and likely weather over there then I would have thought that would be the sensible option. However I think from his selections last night and then subsequent comments to the press he has backed himself into an un-comfortable corner and it will be interesting to see whether he has the single-mindedness of conviction to actual do the right thing and send the kids.
Didn't send Saints send a reserve team to Catalans the week before the CC Final a few years back?
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| Quote ="Paul Youane"I can assure you its correct (and if it isn't then blame that Bilko guy) and it wasn't for an end of season league game that didn't matter. It was for the first round of the Premiership - a knock-out game which saw Wigan knocked-out of that competition because these players were rested. However there wouldn't have been any outrage because fans knew that the Challenge Cup was a more important trophy to win than the old Premiership Trophy was, just as now the Challenge Cup is more important than the league leaders shield. It didn't mean the Premiership Trophy was meaningless (Wire fans still go on about winning it in 1986) just as now the League Leaders Shield isn't meaningless. It just isn't top of the pecking order.
As for Wane resting the whole Wembley team for next week's game at Catalans then given the travelling involved, the stay away from home, disruption to routine and likely weather over there then I would have thought that would be the sensible option. However I think from his selections last night and then subsequent comments to the press he has backed himself into an un-comfortable corner and it will be interesting to see whether he has the single-mindedness of conviction to actual do the right thing and send the kids.
Didn't send Saints send a reserve team to Catalans the week before the CC Final a few years back?'"
The Premiership Trophy was the third priority trophy in those days. That season the league was most important and hence why Wigan didn't rest players for the important end of season league games. Sadly the current SL system places too much emphasis on the end of season play-off cup competition meaning that teams rest players for what should be important league games.
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| Quote ="Last Son of Wigan"Don't you, as a Huddersfield fan think it took the shine off the game knowing you beat a Wigan side minus it's two best players? It's like celebrating beating a boxer with one arm tied behind his back.
Wigan clearly don't care about the league, it means nothing, if they did Sam and Lockers would have played and it would have been a different story.'"
Not at all, in fact it makes it more sweeter seeing and hearing this as if its some kind of acceptable excuse for Wigan should they have lost the game, which they did, and trying to take some of the shine off it for us.
If you choose to not play your best players thats your choice.....the results sections will show 12-30 to us - we can only beat what is in front of us, we did what we had to do for OUR clubs sake, what other clubs do is their business.....ATEOTD Wigan CHOSE to leave players out - we didnt ask you to !!
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| Quote ="GIANT DAZ"Not at all, in fact it makes it more sweeter seeing and hearing this as if its some kind of acceptable excuse for Wigan should they have lost the game, which they did, and trying to take some of the shine off it for us.
If you choose to not play your best players thats your choice.....the results sections will show 12-30 to us - we can only beat what is in front of us, we did what we had to do for OUR clubs sake, what other clubs do is their business.....ATEOTD Wigan CHOSE to leave players out - we didnt ask you to !!'"
There are no excuses. Wigan wanted to win the game but came up against a better side on the night. In a tough sport like RL it is not always possible to play your full side but that can never be used as an excuse for losing and Wigan certainly don't. When speaking to the Wigan members in the south stand bar after the game the coaching staff did not any ANY excuses and recognised that Wigan were second best on the night.
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| Quote ="Last Son of Wigan"Don't you, as a Huddersfield fan think it took the shine off the game knowing you beat a Wigan side minus it's two best players? It's like celebrating beating a boxer with one arm tied behind his back.
Wigan clearly don't care about the league, it means nothing, if they did[u Sam and Lockers would have played [/uand it would have been a different story.'"
No they wouldn't, they are both injured.
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| The old Premiership trophy wasnt a big deal at all and was usually an inconvenience at the end of a long hard season. It was certainly way behind winning the League and Challenge Cup and beuase of the timing it wasnt even always taken as seriously as the Regal trophy etc.
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| Quote ="twosevenzero"No they wouldn't, they are both injured.'"
Yes but with just minor niggling injuries they might have played with injections if the league had been more important.
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| Quote ="twosevenzero"No they wouldn't, they are both injured.'"
Of course they are.
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| Quote ="nohalfbacks"There are no excuses. Wigan wanted to win the game but came up against a better side on the night. In a tough sport like RL it is not always possible to play your full side but that can never be used as an excuse for losing and Wigan certainly don't. When speaking to the Wigan members in the south stand bar after the game the coaching staff did not any ANY excuses and recognised that Wigan were second best on the night.'"
I agree, you went our there and won. I hope we somehow get Hudds at some point in the playoffs with a fit Sam and Lockers. We'll put 40-50 on you.
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| Quote ="Last Son of Wigan"
I long for the 'good old days' when winning the league actually means something.
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I know what you mean, I often look at the premier league title race in envy and wish we had that again, the importance of every game week by week.
Despite me alleged 'bias' ( ) against wigan I find i agree with alot of the fans on many issues in the game.
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| Quote ="Last Son of Wigan"I agree, you went our there and won. I hope we somehow get Hudds at some point in the playoffs with a fit Sam and Lockers. We'll put 40-50 on you.'"
on what evidence?
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| Quote ="Last Son of Wigan"I agree, you went our there and won. I hope we somehow get Hudds at some point in the playoffs with a fit Sam and Lockers. We'll put 40-50 on you.'"
I will hold you to that one to the tune of next years home shirt for the winner. We beat you 22-10 with o louglin playing earlier in the season.
You are bemoaning missing your players who your coach decided to leave our having named one in the starting line up. (Those dodgy tattoos eh!)
We have been missing our "marquee" player since week 2- not that you'd notice given we are currently sitting at the top of the league!
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| Quote ="meast"on what evidence?
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Ok maybe a bit of bravado was speaking there. But I don't actually think Hudds are particularly good, minus Sam and Lockers neither are we, but with them, we're pretty much the best team in England.
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| Quote ="jools"I will hold you to that one to the tune of next years home shirt for the winner. We beat you 22-10 with o louglin playing earlier in the season.
You are bemoaning missing your players who your coach decided to leave our having named one in the starting line up. (Those dodgy tattoos eh!)
We have been missing our "marquee" player since week 2- not that you'd notice given we are currently sitting at the top of the league!'"
Who?
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| Quote ="Last Son of Wigan"Ok maybe a bit of bravado was speaking there. But I don't actually think Hudds are particularly good, minus Sam and Lockers neither are we, but with them, we're pretty much the best team in England.'"
you must be on crack.
we aren't even close
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