Well if he thinks that way and is happy with that, then good luck to him - it's not the Wigan way so we won't have lost out.

What is the wigan way? From reading some of your comments you still seem to think it's buy whoever we can and hell to the consequences like in the early 90s.

Big name, international Aussies no longer want to come here unless it's for a fortune and in a salary capped sport you need someone such as Isa who will pull his tripe out for 80 minutes for very little pay. The days of having the entire GB pack are long gone.

The Wigan is way is all about demanding the absolute best, setting the highest standards and winning stuff. Isa busts a gut and is a decent and likeable guy, but so is Smithies as so will Bateman + more next year. We've got too many average, run of the mill players and fans just seem to accept it. Hank, Bibby, Isa, Marshall, Clubb all give us depth when in reality we need that extra quality.

I'll fully lay my cards out on the table and say that I think that current SC level is wrong. It's weakened us to position where we just feed the NRL and that's not good enough for me.

I'll ask you the same question - what does the Wigan way mean to you? What do you want for the club?

I’ve been saying for a while that we should snap Watson up before another club does.
However, I don’t lay all the blame at Lam’s door.
It was a match today in which we needed fit experienced forwards. Our young forwards will be great in about three years time. I can’t believe that we still have Flower, Clubb and O’Loughlin in the first team squad. Add George Burgess to these three and we can see why our pack gets beaten.
I don’t know how much these four players are on but if they all retired I’d expect we’d have about £600,000
to spend on some real class.
Our backs are excellent but our pack has no go forward.

Like every fan, I want to win trophies and that's why I'm as ed off as the rest of us right now, but if we replace these run of the mill players as you call them with extra quality we become what we were in the 2nd reign of Uncle Mo. A decent 1-13 and then f*** all else.

In this modern day.....that doesn't win trophies.

I do agree with you on the SC level though. We have dragged the top teams down to the same level as the poorer teams rather than challenged them to get better.

As good as Saints were last year, they get hammered by their 2006 side every single time.

There is nothing to say they haven't tried and as Grimmy says he just doesn't want to go

You do realise I have absolutely no control over who we sign don't you? I also said I would try to sign him. I'm just more realistic, I understand that it's not the 80s anymore where we can just sign whoever we want.

Is this useless gawp under contract for 2021 or can we let him go at the end of the year?
(Either way, I fully expect him to remain into 2021 by the way)

Lam said last week or so that he didn't have a contract with us for 2021.

Anyone who had a Leeds / Salford double can afford to drink the good stuff tonight.

The difference between us now and under Mo is that the current squad has plenty of youngsters to give us depth (as it should be).

Of course we need those squad type lads, but I'd argue we've got too many. I'd point to Hank and Bibby as perfect examples - do we need both? Could you take one of those and the salary of say a Clubb and get one decent player instead? With Bateman here next year, do we need him, Isa and Smithies + Greenwood & Faz? Zak is a great lad, but we're playing him at centre - is that the best use of his salary? There's a lot of filler imo.

Completely agree on the Saint's thing. It's a massive worry for me how far back the game has gone, but if you listen to some then it's never been better.

Youngsters still need to be paid.

Agree on the middle part though. Our squad is a little unbalanced IMO but we still need to have those filler type players.

He sounded like he wasn’t convinced he’d be here next year when he spoke to Jenna Brooks last week on the Sky podcast. I’m hoping he’s been told that we had to win a trophy or else he’s gone because after not reaching a final last year, it would be the only thing to save him now for me. The team are devoid of ideas, relying on individual moments to see them through and the only thing that seems to win us games is a steel that’s been instilled in to these lads over a decade by other coaches.

Lam came in as a caretaker and it still feels like he is one. Ian Lenagan hasn’t got much wrong in his time at Wigan but the call to wait 12 months for Edwards to take over was one hell of a blunder. He either wanted the job or he didn’t and if he didn’t want it straight away, he shouldn’t have been considered. We need to have a clean break from all that nonsense for next season and get a new man in who we believe will be here long term.

I think is key and why I'm leaning towards Watson as my first choice. Part of me would love us to circuit break the club and league with another Madge or Holbrook, but realistically those guy are only 2 - 3 year options.

If Watson could come in, improve the lads we have and get us to a final then he'd probably be here for 5 + years imo.

He sounds like a man who knows he won’t be here. The podcast on Sky, the post match interviews. It’s like he’s lost interest because he knows the job isn’t his come the final whistle of our last game this season.

I think fondly of Lam from his time here as a player, he’ll always be thought of fondly for that and his work with the youth and blooding them in. Perhaps sometimes at the wrong time but he’s given them a shot and kept faith in them mostly too. I’m gutted it hasn’t worked out for him but times time. He needs to leave and the whole back room staff be overhauled. This is the end of the cycle started by Madge in 2010, it’s time for new staff with new ideas and a better way of working.

Why stop at Watson? Let's get Trent Robinson! He can bring tedesco with him too. We are Wigan after all.

FWIW with two finals under his belt, Watson is ahead of what Robinson was at the same points in his career..

You need a lot more than a new coach.

A pack, 2 half backs and a full back at bare minimum

Just listened to Lam on Wigan TV. Same old quote

“I can’t put my finger on what went wrong”

If you can’t then you should be the head coach of Wigan Rugby League.

Yes the squad isn’t perfect, but more than capable of being at least competitive with Leeds (and saints and Salford last year in the semis)

Lam " it will take a couple of days to get over this"

A couple of ###### days , the rest of us will be having nightmares about that performance till the end of the season (which was probably after that game) By his body language the man has given up.

Regards EW

100%, Or we could get Watson, but none of his assistants, and make him stick with the same backroom team.....

Nope. In a salary-capped game, you need to make the most of what you have, and we already have a considerably better squad than Salford.

She’s here, you don’t see LeBron for dust after a Saints defeat but never away when the opposition lose a game.

We need a coach, no more and no less. There’s more talent in the current squad than Holbrook had to work with at Saints when he took over from KFC. If we get the right man in then who knows, we may have a dominant period like Saints have had and win 1 trophy in 3 years

Lam the master tactician ! Or we could go for that Salford coach ?